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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-10-24 05:09 pm

[ SECRET POST #658 ]


⌈ Secret Post #658 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Looking For Group]


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[Johnny the Homicidal Maniac]


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[Fanfiction; Voldemort Kaulitz]


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[The Penguin of Death]


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[Fullmetal Alchemist]


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[Death Note, Mello]


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[MCA, KH II]


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[Gurren Lagann]


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[Fringe]


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[Psychonauts]


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[Avatar]


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[Ashes to Ashes, Shaz Granger]


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[Code Geass, C.C.]


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[Whitest Kids U' Know]


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[Nabari no Ou]


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[Kamen Rider Kiva]


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[BoA]


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[QI, Jeremy Clarkson, Sean Lock]


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[Resized]


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[Star Trek]


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[Fast and the Furious]


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[I suggest Kamina]


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[Ken Russell's The Devils, Father Barre]


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[Supernatural]


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[Avatar]


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[Stephen Colbert/Kathleen Parker]


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Notes:

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Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #094.
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Re: The rage is strong with me today

[identity profile] musouka-manga.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
They are who they are, in their hands is only the decision to fight or to run away.

How is this not "choice"?

Simon made Nia able to accept herself as herself.

Where were we shown her conflict with "accepting herself"?

And "visuals" include the expressions of the cast members.

Which...negates nothing I said. If I can't connect to the reason Nia is frowning or looks melancholy, then it's just a nuanced picture.

[identity profile] purple-kama.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
143. If only for Renji and Gojyo (can't judge on the rest), you're forgiven.
Just, uhm, try to tell her. Keeping secrets only hurts a relationship.

145, 153

[identity profile] entwashian.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
145 - Uncle Jesse/Simon Tam is the way to go!

153 - Welcome to the dark side.

[identity profile] invisiblecake.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
131: Yay Farscape secret!!!! And yay for people are just now starting to watch it! You picked a good time.

142: I agree. A famous manga artist came to my school last month, and someone asked if it was ok for people not from Japan to all themselves manga artists, and he said it was not a problem. I mean, I always thought so, but him saying that was really cool.

155

[identity profile] cleartempest.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
155 Kamina-sama will help you.

161

[identity profile] merriman.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Apropos! Isn't hate!sex pretty much par for the course for him?

OP

[identity profile] ipodsr2big.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
YAY I AM NOT ALONE.

Its more the lack of fandom that is a bummer. Cute guys and gals being silly, funny, and a bit sexy? COME ON PEOPLE.

145

[identity profile] luna-norvegese.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG YES!

Re: The rage is strong with me today

[identity profile] musouka-manga.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, Simon accepting Nia's right to be her own person and therefore make her own decisions is the keystone of their relationship, and I've never said otherwise. But all of this is on "meta" level, which doesn't really have much to do with the ins and outs of a "romance". Simon and Nia could have meant the same thing to one another without romance ever coming into play, so it's not that I have an issue with the way their relationship was expressed in the series--but as a romance between two people, it lacks because there is no real sense of union.

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[identity profile] sir-hellsing.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
she doesn't want to let go of Mytho and her role in the story.

BINGO! Ahiru wasn't selfless about the Mytho thing. She did it because it made her feel better and less lonely. In a way, she did exactly the same Rue and Fakir did, while she began more selfless (as a duck), the story "corrupted" her. The first one to let go is Rue (ironically), then comes Fakir (when he rushes to help Ahiru) and, finally, Ahiru.
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[identity profile] bloody-american.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
154. HAHAHAHA~ You know, I would die laughing if that actually happened. I'll be crossing my fingers for it. ;)

I can't wait for that movie. Summer of 2009 why aren't you here yet?

157. There is some Perry/Harry that was written for the Yuletide fest that is phenomenal. I'd look it up but can't be arsed at the moment.

163. Heh. I would be willing to read that.

Re: The rage is strong with me today

[identity profile] csakuras.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, it was a distraction, and that's why I think Nia didn't appear in it personally, but "true" things still showed up like the reminders of Nia and the Kamina who lives inside Simon.

And it was only symbolism for Nia's significant role in Simon's life, just as the real Kamina came to "show him the way." Her individuality and importance as a character is given plenty of light in episode 27.

Re: The rage is strong with me today

[identity profile] 7thisgod.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
In episode 11, maybe. She decides to believe in Simon in order to validate her own existence. She calls herself a worthless doll, but she declares that even as a worthless doll she can still believe in Simon just like Simon believes in Kamina. Because that's what makes their lives worth living, that's what will make her a human. After Simon saves her, Nia breaks crying because her status as a person was proven. Even as a worthless doll, she still has something to fight for.

And visuals are the means to tell the story. You don't need exposition to understand the characters. You must read between lines. Shameless introspection is the reason anime is becoming so lazy nowadays.

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[identity profile] tarina-chan.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
OH POSTER PORTUGUÊS. EU SAÚDO-TE PELA CORAGEM DE MENCIONAR AS NOSSAS FANDOMS NACIONAIS. :D

Re: The rage is strong with me today

[identity profile] 7thisgod.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Funny how you ignore the scenes I mentioned. Nia was insecure of her own worth, but she thought moping around would not help her move forward. She wanted to atone for the sins of her father. She buried her sisters because she wanted to be assured of the value of her kind. She was trying to understand humanity, that was her purpose. Something as compelling as Yoko's, Viral's and Kamina's.

Kamina's development is tied to his father because the essential theme of Gurren-Lagann is the confrontation between the past and the future. The eternal conflicts between those that will come and those that came before.

Re: The rage is strong with me today

[identity profile] musouka-manga.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Episode 11 is a good point.

And visuals are the means to tell the story. You don't need exposition to understand the characters. You must read between lines.

Sigh.

Re: 109

[identity profile] karaokegal.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, this is serious bad joo-joo.

Re: 142

(Anonymous) 2008-10-24 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Fair enough.

[identity profile] seiberwing.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
127. ...well, I think it's cute. Damn, now I need to go find Psychonauts fanart.

Re: The rage is strong with me today

[identity profile] 7thisgod.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Anime is anime for a reason. Anime uses visuals to tell the story, dialog is just a secondary necessity. Body language, visual design and the overall composition of a scene is the key to good characterization.

Re: OP

[identity profile] runawayblue.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
HIGH FIVE!
I know how are fandom people not all over this? Does not compute!
(Yeah, SNL is like, my big thing right now, so I'm SUPER PLEASED to see other people who want a fandom as much as I do. PFF because nobody so far has been sharing that sentiment.)

Re: The rage is strong with me today

[identity profile] musouka-manga.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Let me lay it out here.

Simon, as a character, accepts Nia as a person, which gives her the right to be individual and make choices. This is why she dies in the end, because it's not his choice to make and imposing his will on her in invalidating Nia as an individual.

But, more often, Nia is used as a narrative device. Even Kamina, the real Kamina, is allowed to show up as a person to have impact on Simon's choice. During the last half of the show, she was nearly taken out of play entirely. She was important at the end, but ultimately, her effect on Simon tends to be less "two people reaching out to one another" and more "you taught me how to be human, I give you something to focus on".

Nothing is wrong with that as individual journeys, but I reject it as the nature of love. I don't mean they had to lose themselves, but for something to be the "greatest love story ever told in animation", I'm going to need something more between the two. To me, a single moment of Eureka and Renton doing the dishes together had more love than anything else in the entirety of Gurren Lagann.

OP of 117

(Anonymous) 2008-10-24 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
That's because Nia was the only living individual Simon was comfortable with. Simon is not a very social individual, he prefers solitude and the simple things in life to glory or partying or being president of the world. Nia appreciated his more gentle-side, valuing Simon beyond this grand hero and protector everyone else admired him for. She enjoyed to watch him craft statues, she loved his flaws and public awkwardness.

Re: The rage is strong with me today

[identity profile] musouka-manga.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Anime is anime for a reason. Anime uses visuals to tell the story, dialog is just a secondary necessity. Body language, visual design and the overall composition of a scene is the key to good characterization.

Yes, I am well aware of the importance visual direction plays in a visual medium. Please condescend to me a little more, I'm not sure I got it the last three times.

111, 115

[identity profile] goggalicious.livejournal.com 2008-10-24 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
111. EDWARD MONKTON SECRET HELL YES.

115. Does this mean you pray to Jesus H. Cox?

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