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⌈ Secret Post #658 ⌋

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it turned out Simon's "deepest inner desire" didn't even have Nia anywhere near it.

She doesn't appear in it herself, but a lot of things symbolizing their connection appear in the dream. Like the engagement ring, the fact that Simon is where he and Nia first met when he starts to realize that something is wrong, and how he escapes from the dreamworld by opening her box (and light illuminates the dark just like when they met). All of that was intentional by the way, according to an interview with the director & assistant director.

And in the first half of the episode, Simon being reminded that Nia was still waiting for him is what made him determined again to keep going after learning the truth about the Spiral Nemesis, so who knows, maybe it was an intentional move by the Anti-Spirals not to have her appear personally.

I noticed the box symbolism myself, and furthermore, let's also keep in mind that his vision was ultimately a distraction. My issue is that by making Nia into a "symbol", you remove her importance as a character, a person that could potentially share Simon's life as opposed to some nebulous light that "shows him the way".

Yes, it was a distraction, and that's why I think Nia didn't appear in it personally, but "true" things still showed up like the reminders of Nia and the Kamina who lives inside Simon.

And it was only symbolism for Nia's significant role in Simon's life, just as the real Kamina came to "show him the way." Her individuality and importance as a character is given plenty of light in episode 27.

Let me lay it out here.

Simon, as a character, accepts Nia as a person, which gives her the right to be individual and make choices. This is why she dies in the end, because it's not his choice to make and imposing his will on her in invalidating Nia as an individual.

But, more often, Nia is used as a narrative device. Even Kamina, the real Kamina, is allowed to show up as a person to have impact on Simon's choice. During the last half of the show, she was nearly taken out of play entirely. She was important at the end, but ultimately, her effect on Simon tends to be less "two people reaching out to one another" and more "you taught me how to be human, I give you something to focus on".

Nothing is wrong with that as individual journeys, but I reject it as the nature of love. I don't mean they had to lose themselves, but for something to be the "greatest love story ever told in animation", I'm going to need something more between the two. To me, a single moment of Eureka and Renton doing the dishes together had more love than anything else in the entirety of Gurren Lagann.

Simon and Nia watching together the new world, they talking happily on the phone about everyday unimportant stuff, Nia watching Simon quietly work on his Kamina statues, they enjoying their quiet company without the need to say a single word... that's what I consider romantic.

And that wasn't the real Kamina. That was the Kamina living in Simon's heart. It was the idealization of his beliefs. They couldn't feature Nia in the sequence since she wasn't dead.

Regardless, reading this conversation I see you finally used the words "to me". Perhaps we can finally agree to disagree instead of saying that our opinion is the only correct opinion in the world and that everyone else is wrong.

Simon and Nia watching together the new world, they talking happily on the phone about everyday unimportant stuff, Nia watching Simon quietly work on his Kamina statues

Yeah, those were the "few scenes" I was talking about in my initial post. Very romantic, but they still felt pretty hollow to me.

Perhaps we can finally agree to disagree instead of saying that our opinion is the only correct opinion in the world and that everyone else is wrong.

I didn't think I needed to add a disclaimer to everything I wrote to make it clear that it was my opinion. Or that I advocated reprogramming Nia/Simon fans to the "right" way of thinking.

I will agree that Nia wasn't given much screentime in the second half of the show, which I found disappointing. But all the emphasis given to her character in the last episode made me forgive that a little.

To me, a single moment of Eureka and Renton doing the dishes together had more love than anything else in the entirety of Gurren Lagann.

Eureka Seven had 50 episodes. Gurren Lagann had 26 (not counting the recap which wasn't originally planned), and crammed two epic storylines into that length of time. I'm surprised they even had time to show Simon & Nia having fun at the beach together or Simon enjoying Nia's food. As it is, they still managed to get the themes across and give many people enough to love about the pairing.

Nothing is wrong with loving the pairing. GL was also originally supposed to have 50 episodes, but Gainax decided to do less. I think GL was pretty much perfectly put together, but I don't have much emotional pull towards it because it's so plot based. In that respect, I think every romance "suffered".

I can understand that. I just wanted you to know that those of us who are fans of the pairing do have legitimate reasons for loving it.

I'm happy we were able to discuss this civilly. :)

Even when I think something is done badly, that doesn't mean other people don't find value in it. Romance is especially subjective on this point, so I'd never try to say anyone was wrong for liking the couple for whatever reasons they chose. (Hell, it could be because their hair looks lovely together for all I care!)

Like I said in the beginning, I don't think Nia/Simon is emotionally resonant like a "good" romance is, but that's a private opinion. What matters in the end is that it works for you.

I will agree that Nia wasn't given much screentime in the second half of the show, which I found disappointing. But all the emphasis given to her character in the last episode made me forgive that a little.

I really, really hope they deliver with the Simon/Nia story in the second movie. I mean, they gave Yoko the first because she had little screen-time in the second arc... right?

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