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she's literally saying it's therapeutic FOR HER? maybe that'll help others and maybe it won't, but there's nothing wrong with saying that something is helping her

and i'm gonna be honest here and say that this is kind of personally annoying to me because i take weed for chronic pain, and i 100% tell people about it bc it's saved me from having to get addicted to opiates instead.

and no, i wouldn't be using it if i didn't need it. i'm not just ~getting high~, i don't "just like it". it's medicine for me. it's medicine for her.

You and my relative are clearly on the same page. It's nice you find weed so helpful, but calling something medicine doesn't make it medicine.

i'm not going to fight you on this because obviously your heels are about twelve feet underground at this point, but hey, as long as you're not giving her shit or being all passagg on fb because you're judging her, you do you i guess. you're allowed to have your opinion.

Yup.

Except it actually is a medicine. How do we even define medicine? Doctors do sometimes prescribe it. In some countries and some US states medical marijuana is a thing. Not all uses of it are that, obviously. But for some people it actually is medicine.

What she's taking isn't legal where we are. She isn't prescribed this weed by a doctor. She's not taking prescribed, calculated dosages under the supervision of a medical professional. She's not buying this weed from a legal source (because again, it's not legal where we are) that has any sort of oversight for safety guidelines. It's not medicine.

Well, okay, I'd personally say that it isn't medicine for her then because it doesn't fit my definition. But it sounded like you were saying weed could never be medicine. And that simply isn't true.

I'd say that if it's being prescribed by a real doctor and taken under monitored guidance, then I could see it being medicine. But let's be real... the benefits people claim from medical marijuana is often used as a free pass, and sometimes this is enabled by doctors. But no medical professional is telling my relative, oh, you struggle with social anxiety? Then buy a couple joints off this dude your cousin knows from high school.

Sure, there are unethical doctors who prescribe for addicts the same way there are unethical doctors who prescribe pain pills for addicts. I don't think there is any difference between the two, and I think ethical doctors prescribing it for patients where it will help are prescribing it perfectly reasonably as medicine. It does have medical uses and benefits. And in fact it can have less harmful side effects and less addictive tendencies than many painkillers.

You're relative is clearly not taking it as medicine. But I don't think that extrapolates to anyone else but your relative. Others who are taking it as prescribed by their doctor are taking it as medicine.

Sure, if prescribed ethically. Note that *I* haven't attempted to extrapolate here the way you're arguing. I'm referring specifically to people like my cousin, i.e. people who have zero background in medicine and are self-medicating with weed. I'd feel the same way if people were self-medicating with prescription pain pills.

Okay, then. It sounded to me like you were saying it could never be a medicine. That's all I was arguing against.

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It does have medical uses and benefits.

Except this has not been proven. So far there is no scientific evidence to indicate any clearly-defined medical effects from plain old weed. The CBD liquid medication for seizures, yes, but that is not the same thing as just smoking weed.

Given the overwhelming amount of personal anecdotes about its positive effects and the actual judgmental reasons research is not abundant, go fuck yourself. It's prescribed for people. It's prescribed for dogs. Everyone knows it can help people unless they're snorting the propaganda that's been surrounding weed for racist, classist and ableist reasons for over a century.

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Are you guided by a doctor when you take some OTC Tylenol? You'd still call that medicine, right?

NAYRT—I personally don’t know how much pain I’d have to be in before I’d risk using marijuana or opiates, and both scare me, but claiming that marijuana doesn’t have legitimate medical uses is bullshit. And as someone whose pot-smoking, 65+ year old relatives and family friends are all still alive and functional, but whose alcohol and opiate (and cigarette) using relatives have all died, all but one before reaching 70, I would definitely trust marijuana before a lot of prescription opiates.

"but claiming that marijuana doesn’t have legitimate medical uses is bullshit."

Good thing nobody in this thread said that.

Wow. Marijuana is a medical plant. It is prescribed medically by doctors in several states and many countries. Just because it hasn't been legalized in one state doesn't make the medical value of it automatically vanish.

"It's nice that this helps you, but you should just accept the stigma and choke on it."

It actually is medicine though. Go look up Marinol and then come back to me.

I'm really judgemental about smoking.

1.) At this point everyone knows it can cause cancer and a whole of a lot of other issues and while I don't care if you want to screw up your own health, I hate it when I see young parents (or pet owners) smoke in their houses or next to their children. No, being outside does not magically erase the smoke once it leaves your orifices!
2.) STOP THROWING YOUR FINISHED CIGARETTES EVERYWHERE JFC
3.) Why must people smoke where other people are eating outside of restaurants/icecream parlours? It not only makes my eyes itch, the stench also makes my food not taste as good.
4.) I side-eye that people at work can take extra cigarette breaks when they feel like it... maybe I should ask for potato chips breaks?

I do realize that there is a calming effect for lots of people, that there is some sort of community-feeling and that it's very addicting (otherwise I can't explain those ppl in their wheelchairs fresh out of toe amputation surgery outside the hospital, smoking.) but my hate is just very irrational at this point. It doesn't even look cool.

I'm really judgmental about smoking. Smoking is terrible not just for the person but for everyone around them. I have asthma. If someone is smoking around me, it physically hurts my lungs. the year I lived in Croatia, I could never spend more than a few minutes in the coffee shops where everyone hung out. Everyone smoked inside there. It was awful.

I can imagine! D: For me it's just itching and a runny nose.
Here it's not allowed to smoke inside restaurants/bars anymore (I do think there are smoker bars and stuff like that, tho) and it's been a blessing tbh. Of course smokers feel persecuted all the time (rightfully cause I truly DO want to take away their casket nails).

They can't do it inside most places in the US, but they just then smoke around the doorways. So I have to walk through smoke to get inside. Smokers seem to think they are the only people in the whole world.

I'm glad weed helps with your chronic pain! I really wish it had helped with mine, but unless I took an opioid 15-30 minutes before I smoked, it always caused me to have a major fibro flare and I'd be in utter, clawing-at-my-skin agony for the rest of the night. If I took a Norco along with it, though, it'd not only reduce my anxiety for a while, it'd give me a few hours of slightly more pain relief than the pills alone can provide. I won't deny the high was nice, too, especially since pleasurable sensations of any kind are increasingly rare for me. However, my pain doctor legally can't prescribe opiates to people who use weed, even if they have a prescription, and since he has to do random drug tests and since opioids are the only thing that consistently make my pain somewhat tolerable, it just didn't seem worth it to smoke weed anymore, and so ultimately I quit using it altogether. I know I'm lucky to have a doctor who not only believes my pain is real but is willing to prescribe me the medication I need to manage it, and if that means I have to make a few small sacrifices, so be it. A lot of people with pain issues (be it physical, mental or emotional) aren't so lucky--especially in the U.S.--and because they can't get access to the medical care they need for whatever reason, they end up self-medicating with alcohol and narcotics out of pure desperation for even a small amount of relief, anything that can help them tolerate the pain at least for a little while, and I honestly can't judge them for it. It could just as easily be me in that situation.

And really, I get why people are leery of opiates, but in my opinion, a lot of the stigma against them (and especially against people who need them) does way more harm than good. So many of the proposed "solutions" and much of the current legislation that attempts to fix the opioid epidemic is focused solely on the surface problems, and doesn't even begin to address the underlying reasons why people turn to them in the first place. But that's a rant for another day.

I'm with you on opiods. I recognize that there is a real issue with people addicted to them. But there is also a real issue with people in pain. Some people genuinely need them, and we've swung too far the other way. It is now difficult to get doctors to prescribe them. I take tramadol for my migraines and now for my current foot injury. It is the only thing that works. But it is like pulling teeth to get refills. And that is one of the milder opiods. It is frustrating.

My pharmacy now calls the doctor for every refill even though the doctor prescribed it with multiple refills. It is ridiculous honestly. I'm taking it as directed. I'm not an addict. I have pain.

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