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[ SECRET POST #4691 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4691 ⌋

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Eh, if it's the original TLK, I don't know. Most of the voice actors were undeniably white and shamelessly white-sounding in the original movie, like they didn't even try to be neutral about it, and that's not the fandom's fault

"white sounding"

Yeah, to my POC ears the original cast sound very white. Young JTT, Matthew Broderick, Nathan Lane, Rowan Atkinson, etc. Is that offensive to you for some reason?

TIL People of color and white people can't speak the same dialects.

It's basically true that different language dialects and registers are often associated with different social groups, and often this does line up with race. That's sort of the whole reason that codeswitching even makes sense as a concept. So I don't think it's necessarily crazy to say that a role is performed in a way that linguistically registers as white.

Wow, you're so progressive and ~colorblind~

Yeah, not at all my point. The only times people have ever brought up how I "talk so white" was to make fun of me or imply I lack "blackness" whenever I don't use AAVE. Quit making assumptions.

you're full of it if you say you don't make assumptions about someone's race based on their voice, it may not be consciously but you do

They very much do.

It's set in fuckin Africa

South Africa exists.

That there are white Africans does not change the obvious fact that most Africans aren't white.

Jesus.

That is not a great argument here
I mean
Considering pretty much Everything about South Africa and its history

lions and meerkats are native and aren't the descendants of colonizers

You really thought that was a great gotcha. I am horribly depressed now.

unfortunately

Yeah, it's set in fantasy Africa, and Kung Fu Panda is set in fantasy Asia, but tell me Po doesn't sound exactly how Jack Black sounds 100% of the time

Of course he does, but that's not really my point. I don't think that basing human versions of characters on the ethnicity of the voice actors playing them is some kind of obvious, inarguable, common-sense, inevitable decision that the fandom was always going to choose to go with. To me, if I was thinking about what a human version of the characters in Lion King would look like, I would start from the fact that the characters are African, not by drawing a picture of fucking Matthew Broderick.

To me, when I visualize Po as a human for example, I think of Jack Black. Young Simba to me is young JTT because that's the voice I associate it with. Maybe I'm showing my age, but his voice was very recognizable at the time.

I also have a hard time imagining someone that looks like me, sounding like them, so that's part of it.

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Anyway, my point is not that they aren't African, it's that Hollywood and their cast of predominantly white voice actors in main roles didn't do a very good job getting that across

So? They're literally lions, not humans. They aren't closer to any one race at all.

I mean, yes, that's literally true. But I think there's also an obvious sense in which the anthrophomorphized animal characters in a story set in Africa that often uses traditional African elements and where the lead character has a Swahili name are drawing on African human beings, and so making human versions of those characters African is a fairly obvious choice, not some kind of absurd wild jump that people are making that fandom could not have possibly had a clue about.

I mean, come on.

THIS.

It isn't that I disagree that using models of African descent isn't appropriate, it's that using non-American models is inappropriate. They're still literally lions, not humans, linguistics aside. I perfectly support defaulting towards black models, but I'd stop at calling it racist to use other models.

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