[ SECRET POST #4691 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4691 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's set in fuckin Africa

[(Anonymous)]

South Africa exists.

[(Anonymous)]

That there are white Africans does not change the obvious fact that most Africans aren't white.

[(Anonymous)]

Jesus.

[(Anonymous)]

That is not a great argument here
I mean
Considering pretty much Everything about South Africa and its history

[(Anonymous)]

lions and meerkats are native and aren't the descendants of colonizers

[(Anonymous)]

You really thought that was a great gotcha. I am horribly depressed now.

[(Anonymous)]

unfortunately

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's set in fantasy Africa, and Kung Fu Panda is set in fantasy Asia, but tell me Po doesn't sound exactly how Jack Black sounds 100% of the time

[(Anonymous)]

Of course he does, but that's not really my point. I don't think that basing human versions of characters on the ethnicity of the voice actors playing them is some kind of obvious, inarguable, common-sense, inevitable decision that the fandom was always going to choose to go with. To me, if I was thinking about what a human version of the characters in Lion King would look like, I would start from the fact that the characters are African, not by drawing a picture of fucking Matthew Broderick.

[(Anonymous)]

To me, when I visualize Po as a human for example, I think of Jack Black. Young Simba to me is young JTT because that's the voice I associate it with. Maybe I'm showing my age, but his voice was very recognizable at the time.

I also have a hard time imagining someone that looks like me, sounding like them, so that's part of it.

[(Anonymous)]

Really? If I had to picture a human Po, he'd be Chinese, because...he's a panda in a kung fu movie. Set in fantasy China.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but I have a hard time when watching voice-acted things NOT picturing the VA. So I can see where AYRT's coming from.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Anyway, my point is not that they aren't African, it's that Hollywood and their cast of predominantly white voice actors in main roles didn't do a very good job getting that across

[(Anonymous)]

So? They're literally lions, not humans. They aren't closer to any one race at all.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, yes, that's literally true. But I think there's also an obvious sense in which the anthrophomorphized animal characters in a story set in Africa that often uses traditional African elements and where the lead character has a Swahili name are drawing on African human beings, and so making human versions of those characters African is a fairly obvious choice, not some kind of absurd wild jump that people are making that fandom could not have possibly had a clue about.

I mean, come on.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS.

[(Anonymous)]

It isn't that I disagree that using models of African descent isn't appropriate, it's that using non-American models is inappropriate. They're still literally lions, not humans, linguistics aside. I perfectly support defaulting towards black models, but I'd stop at calling it racist to use other models.

[(Anonymous)]

Mte

[(Anonymous)]

I don't actually think it's racist! I just think that the excuses people are making lean a little too close to "why would you even think the characters should be African in the first place" to be plausible