[ SECRET POST #4695 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4695 ⌋

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[fscom]

06. https://i.imgur.com/0OrpQnp.jpg

[silverr]

AFAIK, she did?

I think one started out in Masters of the Universe fanfic (and then I guess went on to write Twilight?), and the other in Twilight fanfic (and then went on to write 50 Shades?)

[(Anonymous)]

I believe 50 Shades originally started as fanfic of Twilight called "Master of the Universe."

(Or was there He-Man fanfiction involved?!?!?)

[silverr]

ha, no apparently just my hilarious misunderstanding.

[ninefox]

"Masters of the Universe" was the name of 50 Shades when it was still a Twilight fic, not a different canon.

[silverr]

oh, aha, that makes... a bit more sense now.

(I did seriously scratch my head trying to figure out how they got from He-Man and Skeletor et al to ... sparkly vampires, but then I've seen some pretty zany AUs.)

[(Anonymous)]

I always thought she did too.

[hey_hey_hey]

I bet Stephanie Meyer got a huge chunk of change from EL James's publisher and the production companies and distributors of the 50 Shades films. Meyer didn't walk away from the 50 Shades debacle without getting paid.

[cloudtrader]

I thought she DID start out as a fic writer? I swear Twilight was a Buffy fanfic, right? Or am I imagining things?

[nocowardsoul]

I might be remembering wrong, but I think Meyer claimed to have not seen Buffy.

[sabotabby]

It's Mormon fanfic. Edward is Joseph Smith or something.

[cloudtrader]

Ah, ok, I must have misremembered.... also, that's really weird.

I can't imagine Meyer would have gotten anywhere with a lawsuit.

[(Anonymous)]

While it had started out as Twilight fiction, it was already really far away from Twilight in terms of premise and setting. Knowing only the bare bones of the story, I'm betting it was somewhat OOC, too. Once it was reworked and characters were renamed, which James did before publishing, it would most likely no longer be considered even an unauthorized derivative work as any major copyrightable elements would have been gone.

Re: I can't imagine Meyer would have gotten anywhere with a lawsuit.

[(Anonymous)]

I think this is the correct answer.

Re: I can't imagine Meyer would have gotten anywhere with a lawsuit.

[(Anonymous)]

I loathe FSoG and EL James sounds small-minded and petty as fuck, but regardless of that, I think you're 100% right about this. The idea that FSoG has enough similarities to Twilight to infringe on copyright is more than a little bit of a stretch. The two properties are so different that if it weren't a known fact the two are linked, I highly doubt FSoG would even be considered to have more than the vaguest coincidental similarities to Twilight.

Re: I can't imagine Meyer would have gotten anywhere with a lawsuit.

[(Anonymous)]

I've read some AUs (in other fandoms) that were so different from the source, you'd only have to change the names. I totally agree that there was probably no legal basis for a lawsuit.

Re: I can't imagine Meyer would have gotten anywhere with a lawsuit.

[rosehiptea]

I didn't read any of this stuff either but I agree. They don't even seem to resemble each other at this point.

Re: I can't imagine Meyer would have gotten anywhere with a lawsuit.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. Many (certainly not all) people know it started out as a Twilight fanfic but that doesn't mean there's anything there that's really obviously a direct rip-off. There are far worse cases of derivative or even copycat works out there.

I can't believe I was just forced to "defend" Twilight and 50 Shades.

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't be surprised.

[(Anonymous)]

I may be misremembering, but wasn't Stephanie Meyer against fanfiction in general? One could argue that Twilight is Mormon fanfiction, but I legit don't think she could've gotten anywhere with a lawsuit.

[(Anonymous)]

You're misremembering. She's enthusiastic about fanfiction in that slightly condescending "it's a great way for kids to learn about writing" way.

I Was There

[(Anonymous)]

So I can tell you, nonny, how it was back then.

How soon we forget that while not as wild as the Star Trek days, the internet at the time was still something of a frontier. Even the word "fandom" was not well known back then. A Mormon housewife was not the type to know about the existence of fanfic, and SteMe definitely never heard of it before writing Twilight. She was very fond of it though, and even once entered a fic contest anonymously (the judge was a friend of hers and caught onto the piece immediately, so she ended up posting it on her website as a canon missing scene.)

At the time the biggest fandom by far was Harry Potter, and we were only just starting to get some mainstream notice. Those were some wild west days my friend. You wanna see some crazy, some shootout at the corral flame wars and the like? You look up Msscribe and Cassandra Clare.

Re: I Was There

[(Anonymous)]

..? This wasn't the dark ages. I remember when he books first came out too, and even if you shave a few more years from that- the internet was very much up and running. It's was more the what happens on the internet, stays on the internet years. But, not at all what you're talking about. Or am I missing the joke? (it wouldn't be the first time)

Re: I Was There

[(Anonymous)]

DA - What are you even talking about? The first book was published in 2005. My mother, a midwestern housewife in her 50s, knew about and was writing fanfic and posting it online at least 5 years before that. I started writing and posting my own fic around the same time she did. Does that mean SM was? Of course not. But let's not pretend that internet fandoms weren't active back then. There's a difference between being mainstream (which I would argue fandom still isn't, even today, and also lol I am always amused by HP fans acting like they invented fandom) and being completely unknown to all but the craziest fringes of the "proto-internet".

Re: I Was There

[(Anonymous)]

LOL, no. Fandom wasn't as mainstream as it is now, but it wasn't some obscure arcane dark art, practiced only by teenagers. Your own example of Cassandra Clare was 32 in 2005, nonny. I was in fandom in 2005, and my own small circle of acquaintance was half college student and younger, half housewives. And yes, we all knew the word "fandom"... I mean geez, where do you even get this weird notion?

Which is not to say that SM knew about fandom - I have no idea if she did or not. But if she was ignorant about it, it had nothing to do with being a Mormon housewife.