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[(Anonymous)]

Still here, yeah :)! Just popped back in to see if you'd replied, actually.

I very much sympathize with your frustration about the stereotypical "smug atheist being proven wrong" thing-I haven't seen "Bones", but I've read the discussions among fans of that show on here who complained about that. That is one thing I do appreciate about Ben and Kristen on here thus far-they're very strong in their feelings about God and religion, but they don't fit into that stereotype. Their reasons for thinking the way they do are treated as valid and understandable. I hope that continues to be the case, because I do like that their convictions are just as strong as David's. And I too hope they get just as many wins as David/the religious people do, if not more

I do think the fact that they have been willing to tackle serious real life issues like racism, slavery, and, in recent episodes, the whole incel/"angry white men being violent" mindset head on does give me some hope that they'll be just as tough on the religious aspect of things, too. I haven't seen any of the Kings' other work (heard of their other stuff, certainly, just somehow missed out on seeing it), but from what I've heard about them, they don't seem the type to be fragile with religion, nor do they seem to be as concerned about offending people. So maybe this show will be that much needed exception, if that's the case.

from what little we do know about David, his religion seems to be a huge part of who he is) and the only way I see that happening is if something big happens. For some reason my mind keeps going to a big twist in the season finale involving some kind of corruption/conspiracy/wrongdoing by the church (that maybe incorporates some of the various plot points from throughout the season that don't make complete sense?

I'm honestly wondering about that, too! If this show does wind up actually seriously confronting a lot of religion's hypocrisy and abuse and whatnot head on, and it leads to a major transformation for David in terms of his direction in life, that could be a really interesting angle and development for his character. They have been slowly building to some crisis of faith for him, so I agree that as the season winds down that's likely going to come to a head in a really significant way.
And Leland's definitely got to play some kind of role in it somewhere, for sure. I read a comment on some other site a while back that pointed out that they seem to keep referencing babies on this show-there was the weird thing with Ben's sister and a possible baby, the talk of miscarriages when Kristen was talking to that woman who claimed to be possessed, the reference to the "slaughter of the innocents", that bizarre stuff with that demon baby, etc., so between that and the occasional comments that have been made about the sex abuse scandal in the church, I think you might be on to something with that being a large part of whatever goes down as the season wraps up.

But at the same time, that would change the whole premise of the show to some degree, too, and I think they do like having that fact versus religion balance there, which would indicate David's staying where he is in that regard. So yeah. It's tough to say, for sure.

As for Ben, though, I can easily see her and her husband deciding they've grown apart or whatever and getting divorced and she eventually ends up in a relationship with Ben.

Okay, it's funny you say this, because I'm actually working on a fic where this happens. So far it's just a one-shot, but now I'm kind of considering maybe expanding on that setup a little more. If that's a boring premise, then I guess that makes me boring :p. I think it sounds rather fun to explore :D.

And YES to your comment about all the little moments they've put in alluding to him coming around a lot and spending time with her family, and her husband seeming a little jealous about the whole thing, normally being a sign of something more going on there. If they ever did want to go there, I certainly wouldn't complain :D. In the meantime, at least all that stuff gives me plenty of good fic fodder, so yay for that.

That was actually me who mentioned that podcast! I hope you enjoy it if/when you get the chance to give it a listen, it's pretty fun.

And LOL, same. It's really nice to be able to talk a little more about this ship in particular, because I've yet to run across anyone else who likes it (they may well be out there and I just haven't yet talked to them), so it's fun to get my feelings about them out like this.

[(Anonymous)]

That is one thing I do appreciate about Ben and Kristen on here thus far-they're very strong in their feelings about God and religion, but they don't fit into that stereotype.

Me too! The character on Bones was just really unlikeable overall, so I didn't love the way they potrayed atheism on that show, but here it's much better. They definitely seem to be handling their views in a respectful way (and I just love Ben in general, he's just a super cool character to me).

I actually hadn't seen the most recent episode when I wrote my last comment, and after seeing that episode, I do think there's going to be more focus on real life issues. I mean, the whole incel/shooting thing came across (at least to me) as Leland (even though I know the character's name, I can't help but think of him as Michael Emerson for some reason, lol) just having a personal vendetta against David rather than a demon thing. Although I did see some comments pointing out that he had one of David's dad's paintings in his office, which I hadn't noticed, and which I find interesting, but I'm not sure what it's supposed to mean, if anything (it could just be a little Easter egg type thing for fans to notice).

I haven't seen any of the Kings' other work (heard of their other stuff, certainly, just somehow missed out on seeing it), but from what I've heard about them, they don't seem the type to be fragile with religion, nor do they seem to be as concerned about offending people.

Like I said, I haven't seen The Good Wife, but yeah, Brain Dead definitely showed this. They definitely don't seem to be afraid of offending people. I guess I'm just cynical/used to being annoyed when shows with potential go off the rails, but I probably should trust that they know what they're doing.

And Leland's definitely got to play some kind of role in it somewhere, for sure. I read a comment on some other site a while back that pointed out that they seem to keep referencing babies on this show-there was the weird thing with Ben's sister and a possible baby, the talk of miscarriages when Kristen was talking to that woman who claimed to be possessed, the reference to the "slaughter of the innocents", that bizarre stuff with that demon baby, etc., so between that and the occasional comments that have been made about the sex abuse scandal in the church, I think you might be on to something with that being a large part of whatever goes down as the season wraps up.

Yeah, I'm thinking that even more after the most recent episode. The comment about Renee helping out the church in the abuse scandal, something about the wording, it seemed almost like sarcasm/satire in a way (it actually reminded me a bit of Brain Dead). I don't know exactly what it was, but it made me think "yeah, this is definitely going somewhere". That's interesting about the babies, I hadn't even thought of that, but it's interesting. I'm really curious to see where things go/how it all fits together.

Okay, it's funny you say this, because I'm actually working on a fic where this happens. So far it's just a one-shot, but now I'm kind of considering maybe expanding on that setup a little more. If that's a boring premise, then I guess that makes me boring :p. I think it sounds rather fun to explore :D.

I personally don't find it boring (most of the romances I like involve close friends who have things in common who end up having feelings for each other and then have quiet, domestic relationships without much drama [or, for pairings I ship, that's how I always imagine things being]), I just know a lot of people like a bunch of obstacles and dramatic events (and that's totally fine, it's just not my thing usually, although there are rare exceptions) and find things like that boring, because I've been called boring for my shipping/romance preferences before lol. Anyway, would you mind linking your fic here when you're finished with it?

That was actually me who mentioned that podcast! I hope you enjoy it if/when you get the chance to give it a listen, it's pretty fun.

Oh, that's funny. I definitely will listen to it at some point!

[(Anonymous)]

Don't know if you'll check back in on this, but just wanted to pop in to first off say that I saw that Today's Special movie the other day (it was on that Tubi site). It was very cute indeed :). I liked it (Samir's mom was a trip and I adored her :D). Thanks again for the recommendation!

Second...Although I did see some comments pointing out that he had one of David's dad's paintings in his office, which I hadn't noticed, and which I find interesting, but I'm not sure what it's supposed to mean, if anything (it could just be a little Easter egg type thing for fans to notice).

I hadn't noticed that, either, until others pointed it out! That's one thing I'm really liking about this show, it's the sort that rewards multiple viewings. So many little details to discover on rewatch.

And yeah, I like the idea of Leland targeting David, and the others, personally. It was downright chilling the way he tapped into that guy's fucked up worldview, but I love that the show didn't shy away from showing just how easy it is for those mindsets to fester and grow. If that's the kind of calling out they'll do going forward for issues both supernatural and otherwise, bring it on :D. I'm glad that the most recent episode seems to have eased some of your concerns in that regard-here's hoping that continues to be the case.

(Also, your comment about Emerson-it's funny, this is the first thing I've actually seen him in. I've certainly heard OF his other work, of course, and I've seen a couple episodes of "Person of Interest", but for whatever reason, I've missed out on his body of work in general. I'm really enjoying him on this show, though, creepy as his character is, so I clearly need to remedy that at some point.)

Your description of the types of ships you like...that describes mine to a T as well :). If there ever is any drama and obstacles, I much prefer to see my favorite ships dealing with that stuff together. I'll definitely share the link to that fic when it's done-I'm hoping to have it finished and posted fairly soon here, so we'll see how it goes :).