[ SECRET POST #664 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #664 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

Re: 107

[trustyoursins.livejournal.com]

I actually thought the "her emotions aren't real!!" thing was not only completely unnecessary, it went totally against the whole point the story was trying to make. D: I'm hoping that was actually just a problem with the mistranslation, do you know if the series ever actually said that in the original Japanese?

Re: 107

[coloa.livejournal.com]

That seems like a pretty huge thing to mistranslate, and I think it was the point the story was trying to make. :O But that's just my opinion.

Re: 107

[trustyoursins.livejournal.com]

I don't know -- the entire story up to that point was showing pretty clearly that Chii and Freya did have emotions. Hell, Freya fell in love with her father to the point that letting him go was killing her. Chii was obviously completely upset, near-devistated, at the idea that Hideki might not love her, hence her bringing about the main climax of the story.

It doesn't really matter if those emotions were just programmed in. It seemed as if for the entire story, Clamp was trying to show that emotions are emotions, that human emotions are no more "real" than those of persocoms just because the latters' emotions stem from their AI, then at the end there was a line stuck in going "BUT ALL THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT." I don't think the fact that Chii really is "just a persocom" is a mistranslation, but the idea slipped in there that it somehow makes her emotions more fake than a normal person's (THE LOVE IS A LIE?!). "Just a persocom" has emotions that are as real to him/her and the people that care about him/her as any human beings, and such a line felt totally discordant in the midst of that. :x!

Re: 107

[coloa.livejournal.com]

Ummm, like I said, it's just my opinion? I'm not trying to challenge what you got from the series.

I just think... It doesn't really matter if those emotions were just programmed in but the fact remains that they were just programmed in. Whether that makes them fake or real or important or not doesn't matter to me in the slightest. They might be just as good as a real person's, and that's fine, but it does not make them real. :O;;;

Re: 107

[trustyoursins.livejournal.com]

Ah I know! I was just. Kind of trying to explain where I was coming from? XD I didn't mean to come across as arguing, I just jump at the chance to go "OMG DISCUSSION" with people. ;;

That's the bit I think we disagree on, though, basically. XD What makes emotions "real"? If they are just as good as a real person, if they're just as important to the person feeling them and to those who care, it seems as if that might make them real even if they stemmed from circuits in a machine instead of synapses firing in a brain. Idk, again not trying to argue, but that's... sort of where I thought Clamp was going with it, hence why I thought it might have been a sloppy translation? akjsfhkasf I don't know. Just got a sort of "love is love is love" from the rest of the story, so the "but it's not real love" bit stuck in there threw me for a loop. XD;

Re: 107

[coloa.livejournal.com]

Ah, no, it's fine. oAo;;; I think I just got a little scared seeing your "you are a retard" comment to the OP.

Yeah. Well, there's really no point in arguing 'where clamp was going this.' Whether you believe their own words and the translations or not, you're not psychic, and all you can do is interpret. :O

For me I felt like it was

"Love is love is fake is love," haha.

Re: 107

[trustyoursins.livejournal.com]

Ahahaha, sorry. XD I didn't really mean it for their opinion, if that helps? Mostly for the whole "I DESPISE YOU IF YOU CAN'T SEE HOW DEEP AND HORRIBLE THIS STORY IS! EPIDEMIC OF EVIL COMPUTERS!" message in there. ;;

Yeah, all I can really do is kind of go by my own interpretations. Unfortunately I doubt that line, as it is, will make sense to me in the confines of the story anytime soon. Damn. XD

"Love is love is fake is love."

... pffft I lol'd. Epic line is epic.

I felt the irresistable need to use these keywords and have no idea why I haven't before now. 8D;;;;

Re: 107

[syndromed.livejournal.com]

I think, to be fair, it's a fair enough message. \(O_o)/ If we get to the point when people are honestly falling in love with robots, that is scary. To me. So. :O On the up-side, you don't think I'm retarded for my opinion on the series, but on the down side, you do for something else... Hahaha~ That's fine anyway, though.

?? Is it? That's just what I got from the series. They went out of their way to say her emotions are still fake, and the main character goes out of his way to say that doesn't matter, so. :O

Ironically, I was also redoing icons, so uh, this is still coloa.

Re: 107

[trustyoursins.livejournal.com]

Ohnonono, I mean. The message of "CLAMP MEANT THIS TO BE A DYSTOPIAN MANGA" and "IF YOU LIKE THIS SERIES AND THINK IT'S CUTE THEN I DESPISE YOU." Worrying about people falling in love with robots doesn't bother me, though I don't feel the same, for basically the reasons I stated (what makes love "real" and the difference between real and fake emotions -- at what point is an AI program so advanced that their emotions are as valid as a normal human's?), but that's whole different ballgame and I don't think you're a retard for disagreeing.

Ah, yeah, I can kind of get that. Though again, given values of fake... meh. I guess I just find the idea that someone can feel emotions that strongly and have them still be "fake" just because they're not a flesh-and-blood human kind of weird, but I totally get where you're coming from.

Awwwww so cute Rika. ;A; ♥