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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2019-12-06 05:24 pm

[ SECRET POST #4718 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4718 ⌋

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Re: What are your least favorite heel-face or face-heel turns?

[personal profile] philstar22 2019-12-07 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
I always took it as "You help me, I help you" combined with Thanos being persuasive. I think the fear was just the fear that all his followers and allies fear because he'll torture/kill anyone who messes up. I don't think Loki agreed with him, but I think Loki wanted to mess with Thor because he was angry and Thanos encouraged that anger and convinced him that by helping Thanos Loki could get things he wanted. I never took it to be forced coercion beyond the fact that Thanos threatens everyone, even his followers.

Re: What are your least favorite heel-face or face-heel turns?

(Anonymous) 2019-12-07 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
I mean, persuasive in the sense of 'do what I want and you might get something you want, refuse and you die incredibly slowly and badly', sure? That's still pretty much coercion, though, as it's not like Loki had any realistic opportunity to refuse. He was alone and had just fallen through the void when Thanos found him, he was strained and wild-eyed when he landed on Earth afterwards, and the main interaction we see between him and Thanos' forces, in the form of the Other, turned into sweet promises of things worse than torture in very short order. So, you know. I always figured he basically never had much of a choice, and just determined to make the best of it as much as possible and get his swipes in at people he hated and/or didn't care about while he tried to extract himself.

The brainwashing thing is more of a reach, but it's still plausible just with what we're given in Avengers. The Other spoke in Loki's head, Loki gets said head violently recalibrated by the Hulk at the end of the movie, and it makes sense to put a failsafe in when you're sending a complete stranger to do a job for you using the only one of the six infinity stones you currently possess.

Re: What are your least favorite heel-face or face-heel turns?

(Anonymous) 2019-12-07 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
I agree.

Even without the Staff of Mind Control in play, Loki did *not* look like a happy camper when working for Thanos. Coercion is extremely plausible.

He still, you know, tried to commit genocide in Thor 1, mind. Still a villain. But coercion is plausible.

Re: What are your least favorite heel-face or face-heel turns?

(Anonymous) 2019-12-07 09:03 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah I thought it was pretty heavily implied. I mean, the whole "gets his head violently recalibrated" is exactly what happens to Hawkeye to snap him out of the mind control as well and in the very same movie no less.