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⌈ Secret Post #4739 ⌋

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01. [SPOILERS for Rise of the Skywalker]
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[sparklywalls]

This was my problem with it...so what was the point in Anakin's arc then? I think this feeds into my greater issue in that I refuse to believe there was a firm plan for the sequel trilogy. There were inconsistencies and tonal shifts between the films in the OT and the PT sure, but not to this extent.

[(Anonymous)]

Did anyone really try to sell the idea that there was a firm plan for the sequel trilogy?

I only watch the movies, don't pay any attention to interviews and the like, and to me this trilogy feels like a disjointed round-robin story.

[sparklywalls]

I personally actually don't know for sure! I'm sure I saw a comment somewhere about there being a vague plan but tbh this just makes my overall "mess" reaction solidify further.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this is my problem with the whole trilogy in general too. Not only does it not feel like a coherent trilogy but it doesn't feel like a coherent 'third part' of the stories from episodes I-V. The prequels, while they definitely aren't great movies, still tell a clear story that fits as a proper prequel to the original trilogy. The sequel trilogy feels like it's only a 'sequel' in that some of the old cast comes back, there's not really anything storywise that makes it work as the third part of a three-part canon (heck, all it does really is go 'everything you thought got resolved in the original trilogy actually didn't and the psuedo-empire just rose right back and nothing changed').

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sure there wasn't a good plan and I'd love to peer into an alternate universe where there was a plan, or more continuity in who was creating the story, or at least more collaboration between Abrams and Johnson (like maybe at least pick a theme or something).

Regardless of what plans and ideas Lucas had, from the perspective of the audience the OT didn't need to go anywhere. It was fine to make a movie, then a sequel, then a third to wrap things up.

The prequels did have to go somewhere, but that somewhere was already determined before the prequels were ever filmed.

I feel like the sequels were approached more like the OT. "Here's a movie! Now here's another one!" But, instead of wrapping things up a la Return of the Jedi it was decided that as the last of a big saga, the move needed to wrap everything up in a Big Significant Way. However, that ending was unknown and hadn't been planned out (I assume) and they couldn't figure out something that felt like it was intentionally set up by both Force Awakens and Last Jedi.

[(Anonymous)]

You mean like TLJ completely said "fuck you" to Luke's entire character arc in the OT? Or how TLJ fucked with the very basis of how space travel works in Star Wars? Or how TLJ basically fucked around with the whole force ghost Yoda thing just for a cheap laugh?
Like... I'm not saying ROS is good but it's not like TLJ didn't give the finger to elemental points of the OT way before.

[(Anonymous)]

TLJs' Luke was entirely consistent with his OT character given what we know happened to him between the OT and the ST. And how did TLJ mess with how space travel works in Star Wars?

[(Anonymous)]

Except it wasn't. Luke is the guy who ultimately forgave Darth Vader. Why would he set out to murder a kid just because he had a bad feeling about him?

And the whole space ship kamikaze. Light speed doesn't work that way in Star Wars (not to mention they could've just stuck a droid in that pilot seat to avoid unnecessary casualties but whatever).

[(Anonymous)]

Luke is the guy who ultimately forgave Darth Vader. Why would he set out to murder a kid just because he had a bad feeling about him?

He was tempted to murder him, and then he didn't. That's a very important distinction that you're completely overlooking. It makes every difference.

And the whole space ship kamikaze.

Who gives a shit? Hyperspace is a complete pointless handwave that works however the space opera plot needs it to work. It has no scientific basis and no real internal consistency.

[(Anonymous)]

And before Luke ultimately forgave Darth Vader, he spent a long-ass time planning to and working towards killing him.

In contrast, he spent 0.5 seconds considering killing a kid who was giving off some serious eldritch horror vibes, ultimately didn't, and hated himself for that split second of weakness for more than a decade.

There's no contradiction there. If you think there is, you should really re-watch the OT and absorb some canon to offset the fanon kool aid you've been chugging.

[(Anonymous)]

For me, it's not OOC for Luke to consider killing Kylo when he sees the darkness inside of him. It's that, when Kylo then runs rampant, killing the other students, and going on to kill anyone and everyone who gets in his way - the idea that Luke would not clean up that mess, THAT is what's out of character to me.

I can see him exiling himself and cutting himself off from the Force after he'd taken down Kylo Ren. But I can't see him running away before dealing with Kylo. I can't see him just running away, knowing that he is letting Kylo kill innocent people left, right and center.

That's the part that's OOC to me, not the fact that he considered killing Kylo.

[(Anonymous)]

I know right? That moment when he looked at his father on the floor and the lightsaber in his hand and chose to throw it down, to refuse to fight even knowing exactly what he was facing, what would likely to happen to him and all the people he loved if he did... that was the moment that Luke decided what kind of man he was going to be. To have that walked back on in TLJ was not a great choice. I can buy Luke screwing up and accidentally pushing his nephew away, or saying the wrong thing with good intentions, but I could not buy that he would go so far or lose control of himself to the point of drawing and igniting his lightsaber over someone lying in their bed, no matter what he saw in their head.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, the force ghost thing was thematically important, not just a cheap laugh

[(Anonymous)]

That's why I'm so devastated whenever I think about TROS. Nothing any of the Skywalkers have done matters anymore.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually I heard that brining the emperor back was part of George Lucas’ original plan for the nine films.

[(Anonymous)]

He would have been jumping the shark if he did have that plan.

[(Anonymous)]

Not according to Ian McDiarmid.

[(Anonymous)]

+1.

“I thought I was dead!” McDiarmid said. “I thought he was dead. Because when we did ‘Return Of The Jedi’, and I was thrown down that chute to Galactic Hell, he was dead. And I said, ‘Oh, does he come back?’ And [George] said, ‘No, he’s dead.’ So I just accepted that.”

Source (just chose one from among a number of news outlets): https://etcanada.com/news/564055/ian-mcdiarmid-was-totally-surprised-by-emperor-palpatines-return-in-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker/