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[ SECRET POST #4746 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4746 ⌋

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[Devil May Cry]

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[Star Wars, Berserk]

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07. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia]

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I will never understand why Bill Potts is hated by a good number of Who fans. Same goes for Martha Jones, Donna Noble, and actually really any Who companion. I don't hate any of them. Even the one I have issues with I more have issues with her continually coming back, and I like her character and her first season a lot.

Rey. Like, really? Sorry she's female and awesome and male Star Wars fans can't handle it.

And the comparisons of Kylo to Vader as if the point was making another Vader. Of course he's weaker than Vader. He was supposed to be. That doesn't make him a bad character. Don't like him, fine. But don't say he's bad because he's not Vader. That's just stupid. The whole point of him is that he fails at being what he wants to be, has these competing voices in his head, has no control over anything and lashes out because he can't even control himself.

Vader was able to us his self-loathing to ground himself because his hatred fed his power and his control. Kylo doesn't have that because he's not as powerful or as trained and while he certainly has self-loathing, that self-loathing only weakens him, it doesn't strengthen him the way Vader's did for him.

Honestly, people are always telling book authors to show, don't tell. But they expect the opposite from movie and tv. They want to be told everything in dialogue. That's not always how it works. Characterization can be found in dialogue but also in plot, in acting (and Adam certainly gave his all, IMHO), and in simply the way the director has the scene filmed.

It may take multiple views to get all the subtleties of a character. Honestly that's a big reason I love going into something spoiled. The overarching plot isn't as important to me as character is. I'm interested in who characters are, and that is something you you can't just learn from the plot.

What did Martha ever do that deserved hate? I'm curious since I love her and I never got any other impression other than 'she wasn't Rose'.

She wasn't Rose was mostly it, though I got a feeling that there was some racism involved in some of it.

I think both of those things, and also the perception that they were going to do *another* Doctor-companion romantic storyline

And also, really, it's Doctor Who fandom

ayrt

That makes sense then.

People hate Bill??

Some very vocal fans, yup. She's my favorite, personally.

Wow, I had no idea. She was great!

Personally, I don't like her because she was fairly stupid with her behaviour. She got annoying with a lot of what she did and how she acted. I generally have a low tolerance for those types of characters, so I am biased in that way.
I stopped watching that season because both her and the old man doctor really annoyed me. She's not the worst, but I generally have no interest in watching an episode if I see her, or the old man doctor in it.

First I've heard of it! I loved Bill and kind of wanted to cluck over her like a mother hen.

How can you hate Bill?! (Or Martha! Or Donna!)

I totally understand there being times when you may dislike a character (even the Doctor), as I am not a huge fan of later seasons with Rose because her and the Doctor just seemed to bring out the worst in each other when she was with Ten, but I don't hate her.

Clara seemed to get a lot of weird hate too, from what I recall, but I think that was because the writing tried to make her out to be this... I don't know the words I want, because I dislike the term Mary Sue, but basically they attempted all these weird subplots that they tried to tie together to make her character seem uber special which rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. River IMO seemed to suffer from that too, and I love River as well.

Yeah, Clara gets the Mary Sue treatment for sure. She's basically the standard definition of one.
Where River comes in, I actually hated her at first, but the fact that she didn't change her personality towards the Doctor the longer she was in the show made me reconsider that. Granted I didn't watch all of her episodes, by the end of it I was fine/kinda liked her, despite not liking the idea of her.

To be honest, I kind of hate it, because I would totally be annoyed with Clara but... Jenna Coleman

River rules, though

River is my favorite DW character tbh. I loved her from the moment she popped up on screen. I just liked that there was someone in the room who legit knew more than the Doctor sometimes and if not, could keep up with him on equal footing. She took no nonsense from him (Donna is my second favorite) and yet I never felt like the script was telling me that I must love her? (Sadly, while I loved her in the beginning, this is what bugged me about Clara later) Alex Kingston having charisma to match the guys she was acting with probably helped a lot, too.

My biggest wish is for River to meet 13. Q_Q

Honestly that's a big reason I love going into something spoiled. The overarching plot isn't as important to me as character is. I'm interested in who characters are, and that is something you you can't just learn from the plot.

Agree with every word of this :). Give me characters I can care about and enjoy watching and all that good stuff, and I'll stay on no matter how crazy the plot gets :p.

Yup, exactly. And generally the times where I am annoyed at plot issues it is because it either doesn't feel true to who the characters are or ruins important character moments (cough:TROS:cough), not because I think the plot is ridiculous or crazy or stupid.

I think that's a pretty fair read of Kylo.

But then... all that stuff with "Snooks was force-whispering to him as a child" sounded so much like early onset paranoid schizophrenia - untreated paranoid schizophrenia - that I have a hard time considering him entirely responsible for his life choices. Mental illness bites.

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