[ SECRET POST #670 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #670 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Psychonauts]


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[Codename: Kids Next Door]


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Comments

Re: 121

[childings.livejournal.com]

From my experience, most male sci-fi fans aren't all that bad. I think maybe the writer of 121 is referring to fandom on the internet, largely. I know that 4chan is a main offender since misogyny and sexism seems to just be another "meme" over there. (I would know, I lurk on /m/ reguarly.)

Re: 121

[vivalanaomi.livejournal.com]

The guys in my sci-fi club are great. That conversation with the other BSG fan happened really recently, so it was on my mind. And yes, 4chan is not really the place you go to for enlightened attitudes towards race and gender.

Some nice cat pictures, though.

Re: 121

[aquila_black]

Yeh ... what is 4chan's problem? I've lurked there once or twice, and whoa, talk about a boys-only mentality. How did they manage to amass a community of that magnitude with assumptions like "there are no girls on the internet"?

Apart from that, I think particularly aggressive and/or creepy individuals give certain fandoms a bad name. I know a professor at the local Uni who is really knowledgeable about comics and horror movies. And by "know" I mean that I talked to him once --and now he wants to go out with me. He knows nothing about me, beyond the fact that we share an interest in manga. He's easily twice my age. I know this is sort of an extreme case, but I think it illustrates my point. I can think of a few male dominated fandoms that are really chill and easy to be a part of. But there are others that collectively believe girls don't "get it" or have anything to offer to the discussion --and a handful where the moment a female expresses any interest (in the subject, not the board members), everyone is like MARRY ME!!! Which isn't too bad when it's a joke, but sometimes, they're not joking. And honestly? Both reactions are off-putting and sexist.

Re: 121

[vivalanaomi.livejournal.com]

4Chan has a thriving yaoi section, so I'm pretty sure they know that there are girls on the internet. It just that "no girls on the internet" has become something of a meme for them, which is repeated regardless of what they actually know.

Fortunately my sci-fi club is run by a cool guy, and has roughly 50-50 boy/girl membership. In fact, our showing of the Riddick series led to a discussion of Riddick slash fan fiction... started up by our straight male president (he just thought Pitch Black was pretty homoerotic. Ok then. Then we were talking about such fan fiction probably exists, because of Rule 32, but if he wanted to clicker-clack his keyboard into the night we'd be all for it, and then he was all 'I'm not writing it, the script-writers are writing it! It's right THERE, it's not even subtext' and so on).

Yeah, the guy I was talking to seemed surprised that I had seen BSG and Firefly (? A girl watching something made by the guy from Buffy!? Watching a space opera which emphasizes characterization and relationship drama!? Madness). Honestly, I think part of the problem is that the mass media outside fannish subculture still presents it as a boys club, which hasn't been accurate for years (and perhaps never was). So fans that actually are IN the subculture are more likely to accept female fans, while fans who take their cues from outside media rather than their own experiences do not.

I actually have the same prejudice, in that I first assume anyone in FS is female, even though we do have quite a few prominent male members. Another way to look at it is when you're on a message-board or LJ, you are not faced with the actual reality of the fans you're interacting with, but anonymity. So you project your assumptions regardless of the actual demographics of the website.

Or something. Maybe some people are just stupid assholes.

Re: 121

[aquila_black]

Yeah ... I sort of figured 4chan couldn't possibly be all-male. But it surprises me that the resident females don't give their fellow posters a good virtual kick in the ass when they start bawwing about wanting to have sex with virgins. And how few there are. And how feminism is bullshit. And so on.

Your sci-fi club sounds awesome. I've been debating whether or not to form an anime group, because I'm dying to have people I can talk to about this stuff, and according to what I've seen online, there are several in my area that would be interested. But I've never met any of them in person, and holy male-dominated fandom, Batman, they're all guys. Also, if the professor I mentioned earlier gets wind of this, there's a very good chance that it'll just convince him that we're made for each other. Which is ... not really what I was going for.

I'd definitely agree that the media plays a big part in fandom being generally perceived as an all-male phenomenon. Women wrote some of the most epic Star Trek fanfiction ever, and that gets next to no attention. I'd also say that the culture as a whole has a lot to do with making people ashamed of being fans in the first place. I can't tell you how many times I've read a wonderful story, or seen someone make a fantastic costume, or write a great character analysis, and then heard the creator make some sort of hopeless, disparaging comment about having no life / being sad. As far as I'm concerned, they have a lot more life, and a lot more talent, than they give themselves credit for. But it's not stereotypically masculine, or feminine, or acceptable to do any of this. Anyway, that's sort of off-topic. It tied into gender and fandom because I think women still get the brunt of this disapproval; both in the sense that we're supposed to be the "sensible ones" and because there's still an expectation that nice, normal girls don't write slash. From what I've heard, this goes double if you're over thirty or married. And the pressure to keep it a secret or quit altogether intensifies by quite a bit if you have kids.