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[ SECRET POST #4754 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4754 ⌋

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He's awful and conflicted and vulnerable. People don't seem to enjoy nuance. They prefer to either completely demonize or sanctify characters like that.

Makes for a boring fandom experience because I enjoy the way the way the character was written and acted. Bad but sympathetic.

Yup agree. Although, he's not usually the type of villain I'm drawn to because I'm usually not drawn to conflicted villains like him. I usually like full-on evil villains who either firmly believe in what they are and what they do or fully embrace villainy and all that goes with it. But he worked for me. I think people wanted to compare him to Vader, but he was a completely different thing right from the beginning.

Personally I would have loved an ending where he had to live and atone for what he did. But at the same time, him sacrificing himself for Rey worked for me because I feel like it was him saying that she was the one who could heal the galaxy and that even though he'd done all these terrible things, he could do this one good thing and give Rey back to the universe. So I liked it even though it wasn't what I thought I wanted.

But yes, fandom doesn't seem to know what to do with complicated and nuance a lot of the time.

I don't think it's a matter of not knowing what to do. I think it's a preference.

Sometimes yes. But a lot of the time characterization gets flattened in the fandom and people talk as if characters are either perfectly in the right or perfectly evil, with no in-between and nuance. Some Kylo fans justify everything he did while some Kylo haters act as there wasn't any reasons for him going dark and there is nothing at all to his characterization when there is. Don't like it, fun. But it exists.

Not really a Kylo fan but as a MCU Loki fan...agree with your comment so hard.

In some fan spaces I've legit given up trying to have discussions about most characters who aren't boring straight forward heroes or boring straight forward villains tbh because it feels like fandom can't accept that some people like characters who would be overall terrible real people but because it's not real it's *entertainment* and being conflicted etc is part of what makes it entertaining.

I am getting SUPER annoyed at the feeling that you can't say you like a character if they're not 100% soft pure smol bean or if they're not you need to write a shit load of fucking disclaimers about how you know they murdered people and you don't think that's ok. On the other hand if you don't excuse everything they did with "they were abused/gaslighted or whatever" you STILL can't win1

True. And then on the other hand you have the fans who can't handle the fact that they like characters who aren't perfect and therefore feel the need to come up with justifications for everything bad their favorite character does. Both extremes are incredibly annoying.

Indeed. That's what I mean with the fact that if you don't accept everything as abuse or whatever, you still can't win. I've seen fans of characters (not just Loki but he's my main experience) turn on other fans of the same bloody character for pointing out "yes that was awful but there was still a choice to do some not very nice things" and it doesn't mean they can't be redeemed but there has to be some acceptance of the wrong they committed on their part at some point.

And also in Loki's case I'm sick of people with no reading comprehension thinking "influenced by" in official Marvel sources is the same as "mind controlled" - arrgh!

Ayart

I agree. But I'm speaking specifically about the "Reblog this if you believe Kylo Ren never did anything wrong in his life" peeps.

Ah, so you're willfully misunderstanding hyperbole and snark ("did nothing wrong" when applied to a villain is never literal) so that you can say you're Not Like Other Kylo Fans, You're Special.

Ah, and you're being deliberately obtuse in an attempt to feel superior.

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