[ SECRET POST #4760 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4760 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

Spoilers and content warnings ahead.





01. [SPOILERS for Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker]



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02. [SPOILERS for The Surge 2]



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03. [SPOILERS for The Mandalorian]



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04. [WARNING for discussion of sexual harassment]



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05. [WARNING for discussion of gore, violence to women/children]



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06. [WARNING for discussion of racism, sexism/misogyny]



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07. [WARNING for discussion of rape]
















Notes:

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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

On the one hand, I think when people use “white girl” to belittle and dismiss a person, it kind of sucks, because for all it’s pointing out that person’s privilege, there is also often a degree of sexism in it too. And I’m not here for that.

And almost anytime people start throwing the term “bitch” around, that’s a big old nope for me.

But OTOH, John Boyega’s comment honestly seems like no big deal. Like, yeah, it’s a bit crass, but so what? It’s 2020. Women tell other women to “get that dick” all the time. So as far as I’m concerned, JB can talk about his character’s hopes of “laying pipe” with Rey without there being anything inherently sexist about it. And I have no problem with him mocking the people who are super up in arms about it.

If a bunch of people are commenting things like, “Shut up, white bitch,” I think that’s shitty of them, but that’s a separate issue to what JB said.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah this is sort of my reaction.

I didn't think that "laying pipe" was sexist, but I can see how some might see it that way. I don't think every criticism of John Boyega is racist, but there's certainly a lot of people for whom racism absolutely plays a role. It's a reasonable people can disagree situation with wildly unreasonable people involved because it's the internet.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT and yes, I definitely agree with this.

I don't support sexist responses to people, even when I disagree with them. But I also don't support racist responses to people, or responses that are motivated by racism. And this seems like a situation where there's probably some of both happening (I mean, when isn't there some of both happening, honestly?).

But as far as Boyega himself, I'm definitely more on his side than not. I didn't think his comment was awesome and hilarious, but from what I've seen, he's embroiled in a wankstorm that's only ostensibly about him.

[(Anonymous)]

da

Then why wasn't his Instagram video clapping back at racist remarks?

I think John Boyega's enjoying the attention, rather than reluctantly involved. He was trending on twitter on NYE. He's now ironically the hero of The Fandom Menace. He's the one who decided to post the video on the same day he was supposed to do the Ben Solo Challenge his friend Joonus Sootamu tagged him in.

[(Anonymous)]

People can "clap back" at whatever the fuck they want. What matters is how they clap back. I haven't seen JB say anything misogynistic, or even particularly mean. A video where he quite literally edits himself "brushing off the haters" is not an attack.

[(Anonymous)]

Then why did you mention racism?

A video that didn't bother to cover up handles was a cue to some of his followers to attack. JB should know better; he's a SW fan after all.

[(Anonymous)]

I have no idea what you're issue even is here, tbh. Go back and read the thread again. Maybe it'll help.

[(Anonymous)]

i think it's fine if ppl are a little put off by the comment, even though personally i don't think it's particularly bad, but the absolutely insane response to it is what's crossing the line for me.

one comment. ONE. which isn't even easy to find because it's in reply to someone on his IG, not slapped up there on a post he made. but suddenly he's enemy no.1? no, the ppl that lost their shit over it and then went to HIS twitter/IG to publicly @ HIM don't get to cry misogyny when he claps back for getting harassed for DAYS.

fandom doesn't give ppl the right to act like toddlers without consequences.

[(Anonymous)]

He posted a reylo meme to change the narrative, that’s what the fans were responding to

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this. I didn't have much of a problem with the original joke, but neither did most of the women calling him out about it. It was mostly "Hey dude, that's not cool" and some politely asking for an apology. He's the one who couldn't take some simple mild criticism.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. He escalated himself and then tried to "move on." I think, from the look of it: he's tired from years of playing nice on junkets and now that the series is over he doesn't feel he has to be Disney-fied any longer. But once a character, always a character. Doesn't he know he signed his life away to the franchise?

He's going to have to grow into his cranky old asshole-dom the hard way like Bill Shatner.

[(Anonymous)]

i didn't realise dunking on a ship, which none of the cast seem like like from what i can tell, means that the harassment he got was completely a-okay. he is allowed to clap back at them for being assholes, being a woman does not provide some magical protection from this.

[(Anonymous)]

How were the comments he attacked harassment?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B7KI8r0JyZm/?hl=en

[(Anonymous)]

if it's a constant flood of the same kinds of tweets sent DIRECTLY to him, then yes that can be harassment, also whether the response is completely disproportionate to what happened, which from what i've seen it was. i try to steer clear of anything star wars because that fanbase has historically been goddamn batshit since the 70's, but even i've seen the articles outright lying and twisting things he's said because... people are mad he made a joke about a ship and are using a single sex-joke in a comment as justification for it.

if he had come out and said 'bitches need to shut up' i'd find the outrage over this understandable because that would be misogynistic as hell. but responding to tweets made AT him is not.

frankly i think this is a needed lesson in how fans should perhaps not treat actors for the things they like as friends? because they're not.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

This.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh no, not a reylo meme.

[(Anonymous)]

The fans responding didn’t do anything worse, and Boyega only posted it to distract from the backlash over his sexist joke

[(Anonymous)]

go back to twitter jenny.

[(Anonymous)]

So non sequiturs are all you have left?

[(Anonymous)]

Someone can be totally in the wrong and full of shit, and the way you respond to them can still be misogynistic.

That said, I don't know enough about this situation to say whether I think the comments he received were completely full of shit. I also don't know enough about this situation to say whether I think his response was misogynistic. I haven't personally seen any misogyny from him in response to this, and as it stands I'm definitely more on his side with this whole thing, but I'm not exactly an expert on this particular bout of wank.