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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-11-08 04:59 pm

[ SECRET POST #673 ]


⌈ Secret Post #673 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Re: 123.

[identity profile] llivla.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm definitely not for letting someone off that 'they can't help the way they are.'

But personally I do want to give the OP-apologizer some credit; admitting your way of thinking isn't right is step in the right direction, no matter how small. Your comment is a way of 'doing it wrong' too IMO. :(
Edited 2008-11-08 22:59 (UTC)

Re: 123.

(Anonymous) 2008-11-08 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
You actually get more flies with vinegar, and negative punishment works wonders.

They've admitted that their way of thinking isn't right, and yet they STILL support prop 8. At least the religious nutters and zealous homophobes actually believe in what they're voting for, despite being bastards for it. This sorry sack of shit doesn't even have personal conviction and yet they're still willing to remove people's rights to avoid a bit of self-examination and honest thought.

Re: 123.

[identity profile] llivla.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
And I believe dragging a horse to water doesn't make it thirsty. :| I guess that's the crux of our problem: you're for negative punishment, and I'm more optimistic about positive reinforcement when it came to helping a few people in my life see that... I'm not any less human than they are for not going with the flow with "traditional" sexuality. I believe in being the higher person and extending the olive branch, and I believe the best changes are those that happen over time. I don't believe in flooding the person to change, I believe in being there with as many steps as I can. In between that final stage that person WILL make mistakes, and other wills make unjustifiable ones (practically the DAY after Prop 8 was passed protesters of 8 were arrested and beaten in front of a Mormon church, and probably shot with a taser -- it was nauseating), but I do believe it will turn out all right in the end. I believe that if I give something, I will get something back. History had ignorant people believing 'the gay' could be beaten out of someone, that it was a mental imbalance (poor individuals suffered shock therapy) -- and that was absolutely disgusting, no one believed when someone said '...I was just born this way' -- people still don't, sadly. So I don't see how being cruel to someone 'born' to see only straight couples should be railed against; too many years of growing up seeing only straight people takes time. It takes time to strip away the outside and see two people who love each other, not a freakish abnormality, and getting someone to make an adjustment like that involves getting personal with that person who currently disgusts you, not shoving them away.