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I've never even watched it, and I have a crush on her. How is this not the norm?

There are some reasonable fans who don't like the writing of her run. There are also some really loud, sexist fans who can't handle the Doctor being a woman and who insist that she isn't the Doctor at all and who can't have a reasonable discussion. Unfortunately they are some of the louder Doctor Who fans.

TBH there's always a lot of fractious dickheads in the fandom and it would help a lot if the show were more popular right now, so the jackasses didn't make up such a large proportion of the fanbase.

(to be clear I'm not blaming that on Jodie, not even one bit)

There seems to be something about the Doctor Who fandom (and the Star Wars fandom too) that makes the fans feel like they are owed exactly what they want. They think they have a literal right to their desires being exactly met by the creators. I haven't stumbled across this in any other fandom, just these two. I'm not sure why these fandoms are like this, but it is so ridiculous.

Star Trek fandom and superhero comics fandom, too. I think the common denominator is long-running with lots of male fans. And in a lot of cases, the fanboys of days past are now in charge. Sometimes this works well (Gene Luen Yang, Peter Capaldi) and sometimes it's shit (CB Cebulski, Bendis).

I don't know about comic fandom, but I've been in the Trek fandom, and it has never seemed nearly as bad as the Who or Star Wars fandoms to me. Kind of bad, sure, but not nearly to the same level. I haven't seen the same attacking the creators and actors in public, claiming the stuff they don't like isn't "real canon," and just the pure outrage and shock when the creators don't follow their exact desires.

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This is quite a... strange comment. There is a lot of well done criticism of how Doctor Who and Star Wars have been changed and how it affected the quality of the story telling.

Your comment implies that the critics should be viewed as demanding what is owed them, and that they shouldn't have that presumption. That's a crappy attitude.

I have always- for decades- wanted a female Jedi, a female Timelord, but I don't like how either have been handled in the respective franchises.

Yes, I have the right to state my opinion, my thoughts, about what has been done, and what has been changed.

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philstar22 - 2020-02-09 15:27 (UTC) - Expand

she's cute so i get it op.

also you your other point: sometimes i feel like that's actually the most fun way to engage with a piece of media, because by fuck do i get fed-up of the same stupid arguments/whining in any given fandom for something i like. i think i'd rather just squee with a few select fellow fans than try to discuss something with many, it's far too exhausting and irritating.

she's incredibly cute and crushworthy

100% agree

Gosh she's so adorable

She's great. Did people have this much problem with the Master being a woman, or is that sort of judgement just reserved for the Doctor?

Some people did have issues with Missy and with the idea of Time Lords changing gender with different regenerations, yes.

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Huh, I didn't know that, I didn't watch a number of episodes with Missy since I didn't like the last doctor very much. I must have missed a lot of the backlash because of that.
I thought it was hinted at in the previous reincarnations that switching gender was always a possibility? I guess some people are just like that, though it doesn't make much sense to me since the Time Lords are an alien species, not human... It'd be like criticizing them for having two hearts since it isn't humanistically plausible.

What I heard was some of the same stuff I heard when the news of the female Doctor came around (There was already a Time Lady villain, they should have just made Missy a regeneration of her, like people were saying Romana already existed so we didn't need 11, as if we only ever need 1 of something).

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Bah, that's the worst. I had to search up Romana just to double check who she was, and like how is one in every fifteen Time Lords being a woman at all fair!

A lot of folk were mad as they saw it as a way to make The Doctor a woman eventually by testing the waters.

And considering we're dealing with an alien race not necessarily subject to our rules and preconceptions about this sort of thing, those people can die mad about it. Logically there's no way an alien entity would match Earth ideas about gender almost exactly in the first place. The Doctor has been a man until now because of who created them and their writing being able to conceive of something regenerating its body but a gender switch is apparently TOO FAR. Who can say for sure an alien race would follow our ideas exactly?

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And considering we're dealing with an alien race not necessarily subject to our rules and preconceptions about this sort of thing, those people can die mad about it.

Right? I totally agree. It's so confusing to me - the basic premise of the show and the central feature of the Time Lords as a race literally only exists because the actor got too sick to keep acting and so they came up with a hand-wave justification for an actor change. The Time Lords didn't even exist until the sixth season.

She's adorable and a delight. And I'm really thrilled to see her finally getting better material this season, because last season was such a waste of Jodie Whittaker's acting range.

Which episodes did you think didn't allow her to show her range? Because while I'm loving this series so far, I also loved last series for the most part and thought there was a great variety of episodes.

I thought the writing was really weak and its biggest weakness (which is to some degree carried over into this season) was treating the Doctor as a passive observer in her own story. She got to be cute and quirky and occasionally knowledgable (Chibs needs to learn how to write infodumps in a way that's entertaining for an adult audience), we didn't often see her really show grief, or rage, or the fundamental alien-ness of the Doctor.

In terms of which episode? I'd say the first one was good, other than fridging Grace, and the one on Indian Partition was good, and most of the others...weren't, though most had good moments. I have theories on why I didn't like them, but this is a squee thread and my opinions of this season have been broadly speaking, squee-based.

This season, since it's brought in Gallifrey and the Master and the Doctor's history, we get to see her angry. We get to see her grieving. We get to see—and I like this best of all—her attempting to hide that grief and anger from her companions while putting on a cheerful front and failing at it. There's just a lot more character nuance for Jodie to explore.

That makes sense, it is just that to me that is more about developing than a weakness of season 1. I see it as season 1 introducing her to us and then season 2 allowing her to show us more once we've been given a taste of her.

FWIW, I felt roughly the same about Twelve's first season.

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philstar22 - 2020-02-09 03:46 (UTC) - Expand

Seeing Thirteen angry and grieving kinda gave me the shivers and I felt so sad for her when she tried putting on a front for her companions. While I warmed up to her faster than I did to Twelve, I did feel like she was kinda passive. I do love her and I love how she's a ray of sunshine, but there was just something missing in her character because she seemed to be holding her companions at arm's length and there was no real explanation for why. Now there is and it makes more sense.

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