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⌈ Secret Post #677 ⌋

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[Power Rangers, Tommy/Kimberly]

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[Jon Stewart]

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[One Piece]

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[Silent Hill]

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[David Tennant/Catherine Tate]

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[Axis Powers Hetalia, Stephen Colbert]

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[Gossip Girl]

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[Ultimate Girls]

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[Eyeshield 21]

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[Avatar]

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[The Worst Witch Series]

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[Dead Like Me]

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[Phoenix Wright]

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[House, M.D.; The Craft; The Mentalist; Lost; Harriet the Spy; Ice Princess; Blue Crush; Alias; Heroes; Desperate Housewives; How I Met Your Mother]

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[Merlin]

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[House MD]

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[Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World]

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[Pineapple Express]

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[Streetcar Named Desire]

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[Ben Ten/Sailor Moon]

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[Tripod]

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Except in a very few instances, I think that is mostly just wishful thinking on the part of fujoshi who want to squee that their OTP is OMGSOCANON! But the fact that it is showing up more and more, particularly in shonen manga, now that fujoshi are being taken seriously as a market, I think is pretty telling.

There is no way you can convince me that Naruto kissing Sasuke by accident, or L and Light being chained together, or Gokudera constantly squabling with Yamamoto (etc.) is because they are all really gay but the creators' true visions are being supressed.

Except in a very few instances, I think that is mostly just wishful thinking on the part of fujoshi who want to squee that their OTP is OMGSOCANON!

Actually, slash/yaoi fans very seldom believe our ships will be canon (though we often joke about it). And not all slash/yaoi fans are fujoshi, for that matter. In fact, I think very few of us who've left the first fascination stage of slash/yaoi would call ourmselves such.

But the fact that it is showing up more and more,

Compared to what? The incredible straightness of Saint Seiya?

now that fujoshi are being taken seriously as a market, I think is pretty telling.

Of what? That the mangaka are finally allowed to put in more subtext because there's an audience for it? That they can imply certain pairings more freely?

There is no way you can convince me that Naruto kissing Sasuke by accident, or L and Light being chained together, or Gokudera constantly squabling with Yamamoto (etc.) is because they are all really gay but the creators' true visions are being supressed.

Well, I wasn't really trying to. I simply wondered if implied pairings were there because the creators wanted them to. But why do you think it's impossible?

In regards to terminology, I use fujoshi to describe yaoi fans in general, much the way many western fans use the word otaku generally for fans of anime/manga/games. In any case, it is the population of Japanese yaoi fans that is driving the phenomenon, however they choose to self-describe.

That the mangaka are finally allowed to put in more subtext because there's an audience for it?

This makes it sound as if you think that shonen mangaka have always wanted to write gay subtext and now are finally able to after waiting so long. That may be what you believe, but I ain't buying it.

This article (and the ones it references) is pretty interesting, you should check it out:

http://mangacast.net/?p=1846

And just to be clear, I'm not saying it's impossible, I am just saying it is less likely and less frequent.

In regards to terminology, I use fujoshi to describe yaoi fans in general, much the way many western fans use the word otaku generally for fans of anime/manga/games.

Well, since you're the only one I've seen doing it, I was a bit shocked. Much like the Japanese often still are when people call themselves otaku. I don't think it's an accepted use for the general yaoi fan population yet.

This makes it sound as if you think that shonen mangaka have always wanted to write gay subtext and now are finally able to after waiting so long. That may be what you believe, but I ain't buying it.

I believe nothing. I just ponder the possibility.

This article (and the ones it references) is pretty interesting, you should check it out:

All right, correction; I have now seen two people use the term "fujoshi" inappropriately. You know it means "rotten woman", right? And that only the exceedingly obsessed are supposed to warrant the name?

She seems to have no facts on which to build her essay, so I don't quite know what to say. A lot of the things she said about Weekly Jump was completely wrong, I could tell right away; I'm currently taking a manga/anime course at university, and we've been taught about the Jump sales and its target audience among other things.

I'm curious, for example as to why she thinks the abundance of BL doujinshi for Jump series is the cause of Jump's popularity, rather than an effect of it. And all that speculating on the thoughts and intentions of the publishers...

Do you really want to argue about differing opinions you and a total strange have regarding trends in Japanese comics?

Also, this:

All right, correction; I have now seen two people use the term "fujoshi" inappropriately. You know it means "rotten woman", right? And that only the exceedingly obsessed are supposed to warrant the name?

sounds pretty damn condescending. Please do not assume that I am less intelligent than you because my opinion differs from yours, especially on such a petty subject.

Well, you linked the article? I have no idea where she gets her information, but a lot of it was at odds with what I've learned at my university course.

And I wasn't trying to be condescending; I was a bit unsettled by the use of the word, since I actually speak the language. I was trying to express surprise and unease, and honestly wondering if you do now the meaning. I mean, how should I know if you do? It's not a normal word. It was a bit like someone trying to make a polite argument, while calling their subject "fucker" every other sentence (not a perfect analogy, but it's a almost as strong a word).

I made no assumptions about your intelligence; I just wondered if you knew a word in a different language.

Indeed, I do know the meaning of the word. I certainly did not mean to offend you with my usage. Though I admit to using it occasionally to refer to yaoi fans in general, the sort that I was really thinking of with my origal post are the more extreme sort. The ones who think of every male character as being gay, hate any hetero relationship, and actually do insist that Naruto/Sasuke, L/Light, Vash/Wolfwood are canon.

I know the majority of slash and yaoi fans do not fall into this extreme, but it is an annoying minority.

Again, I sincerely didn't mean to offend. I have read more than just the one article about manga, including more accademic sources. Like any other cultural topic, I think there is room for interpretation.

We cool?

Of course! I tend to get defensive when yaoi fans are generalised about, sorry.

The ones who think of every male character as being gay, hate any hetero relationship, and actually do insist that Naruto/Sasuke, L/Light, Vash/Wolfwood are canon.

Yes, bloody fools, the lot of them. They tend to keep to their own corners of like-minded, which makes it easier to avoid them, luckily.

Like any other cultural topic, I think there is room for interpretation.

Absolutely.

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