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[ SECRET POST #4795 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4795 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

Spoilers and CWs ahead!

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02. [SPOILERS for The Good Place]

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03. [SPOILERS for Sanditon]

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04. [SPOILERS for Guilded Age]

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05. [SPOILERS for Star Trek: Picard]

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06. [WARNING for discussion of rape]

[Graceling]

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07. [WARNING for discussion of substance abuse]

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08. [WARNING for discussion of sexual assault]

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09. [WARNING for discussion of abuse/assault]

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10. [WARNING for discussion of incest/underage/etc. Not the main topic but figured it might start discussion]

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Man, i am wondering if this got good, because I watched about five? episodes and hated every single thing about it.

It was really, really popular with the same kind of people who read Worm and post in the comments on Slate Star Codex. Make of that what you will.

I...cannot make anything of it, as I have no clue what 'Worm' or 'State Star Codex' are.

I just thought 'awful person gets into heaven by mistake her person who should be there isn't and she continues to be awful' was....fucking awful.

You'd be surprise by how much character development there's in the show, especially for Eleanor. Five episodes is not enought time for her to go from crappy person to good person. I'd recommend strongly watching until the end of season 1 (while trying to avoid spoilers for it).

I could not force myself to watch this show. I really, really, really did not like, and could not get into it.

da.

her character development is really good, but i completely get why you would be put off of watching the show because of her as she's a really abrasive person. i personally didn't even like her all that much, easily my least favorite character on the show, but i did enjoy the story-structure of her arc because it was done well.

this isn't an endorsement for you to watch though, if you didn't like it after 5 episodes i doubt you'd like it after 13. idk about others but personally whenever i've stuck with a show under the promise of 'it gets better' i don't actually end up enjoying the show and only end up regretting the time i wasted on it.

it doesn't seem like it's for you and that's absolutely okay.

Pretty much this. If i can't find enjoyment in something after five or so eps, I am just not going to waste my time. That should be *plenty* of time to iron out some snags, make a character interesting/fleshed out, etc.

If they haven't managed it after that long...just no. Especially if the premise isn't one i find madly interesting to begin with.

ayrt.

agreed. if it's an hour long show i'll know in the first 3 episodes if i'll want to stick with it, with 20 min shows i usually give it until about episode 4 or 5 and if it hasn't snagged me by then i'll drop it. sometimes i even drop them sooner because the story or the writing really puts me off that badly and i'm not going to waste my time if i'm not having fun.

Yup. TV/movies/books/fanfic...they're for fun, 99 percent of the time. Sure, there are morality-play type things, and 'true life' things that aren't so fun, but mostly i just want to be entertained by a fun fantasy (fun = something i enjoy and is intriguing, not fun = laugh a minute comedy, if you know what i mean).

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(Anonymous) - 2020-02-22 02:07 (UTC) - Expand

Even though there's massive character development for Eleanor, I'd say Michael is one of the biggest changes as well. Though I can't really elaborate on that beyond even midway through season 1!

How many spoilers can I give here? End of S1? All the way through the show?

Spoil away! I won't be watching.

Okay, keep in mind that I’m getting this entire plot summary from other people’s Tumblr posts.

They’re not in the Good Place. No one has gotten into the Good Place since 1497. You see, if you give any financial support at all to someone who does bad things, the rules of the Good Place count that as doing a bad thing. Simply by participating in global capitalism, you’re unavoidably dropping yourself further and further into damnation. For that matter, one of the main characters managed to make the world better within the confines of the system, and she’s still damned because her reasons for doing so weren’t selfless enough! And another is doing everything he possibly can to opt out, and he’s not earning points fast enough, so he’ll be damned when he dies.

The original goal of Michael’s experiment was to find a more effective way to torture the damned. But he comes to the realization that they were judged too early and too harshly. Despite their flaws, all of his test subjects are capable of becoming good people. So he joins forces with them to overturn the system.

Yurk.
That, right there?
Is so, so, so very offputting.
So glad I did not continue.
'All powerful thing jerks people around with no chance they can every fix it/escape/get out? SO not my cuppa.

...but the point is that they DO fix it. They wind up convincing the judge to rewrite the system, and they spend the rest of their eternity helping people become the best versions of themselves.

You really have to watch it to get it. But the characters aren’t your thing, and there’s no helping that. It’s not an inherent flaw, it’s just your taste doesn’t fit the show. This is definitely one where you can’t fairly judge it without seeing it, and your comment shows that.

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tabaqui - 2020-02-22 01:56 (UTC) - Expand

'All powerful thing jerks people around with no chance they can every fix it/escape/get out? SO not my cuppa.

...I mean, that's where the story starts, yeah. That's not the story, though.

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tabaqui - 2020-02-22 01:56 (UTC) - Expand

It's hard to say without knowing you and the sorts of things you like, but I'm at the point where I'm basically telling everyone who hasn't seen it not to bother.

I can't stress enough how much I completely utterly fucking HATED the ending, and at this point I'm actually kind of angry that I wasted my time watching four seasons of the show knowing how it turned out, when I could've been doing something else.

So my vote is HELL NO, don't waste your time watching it, but that's just me.

There's no way i could force myself to watch it again, i just *really* did not enjoy it and was not into it. I kept waiting for it to be good, and it kept sucking.

Now i gotta know - what happened in the finale that pissed you off so much?

I saw in another comment you were okay with spoilers, so...

In the second to last episode they introduce this magical door that, if you walk through it, you'll completely cease to exist altogether, and in the finale most of the characters decided to walk through it. They framed it as this touching, beautiful thing, but a lot of people, me included, thought it seemed to be glorifying suicide.

They weren't technically "alive" but their afterlife was basically the same as regular life but way more awesome (they could literally do/learn/see/experience anything they could possibly imagine) and they basically decided to give it up because they were bored and chose to just not exist anymore, which I can't possibly interpret as anything other than suicide.

And a show where most of the main characters decide to commit suicide at the end just completely sucks in my opinion, when the show never gave any indication that it was going to end that way.

Yurk. Yeah, that is amazingly sucky. DNW, and i totally get why you and others would hate it. That would piss me off, too.

How long did they spend living in the afterlife (not counting all the time spent there in the previous seasons), before deciding they were done? Does the show give us a sense of how long they hang around for?

Jason was the first of the main characters to leave (mostly. Sort of). Iirc, he tried to play the perfect game of Madden over 400,000 times before he succeeded. Assuming he wasn’t playing through more than a couple times a day, he spent at least 500 years in heaven.

Ah, okay.

To me, it doesn't sound at all like suicide then.

The equivalent of hundreds of thousands or billions of years, I think. Time works differently in the afterlife as opposed to Earth's, which is just straight forward. The point is that they had plenty of time to settle their affairs, meet with fellow loved ones, and enjoy the afterlife with them.

Ah, okay. If they lived for a long time in the afterlife and only chose oblivious once they were content, then I really don't see that as being remotely like suicide, personally.

I am someone who is terrified of how brief life is and how absolute and infinite death is, but even I wouldn't want to have eternal consciousness. Eventually I know I'd get to a place where I was just...done. I think most people would?

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