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Re: Vent thread

[(Anonymous)]

From what I've heard, Biden's doing particularly well with voting blocs that the Democrats really need to come out-suburban voters (who had gone for Trump last time), African-American voters, and I've even heard a couple people talk about how they've had co-workers who voted for Trump say they'd support Biden if he's the nominee (and if it were Bernie, they'd stay home). So that's why a lot of people seem to think he's the best option at this point.

I agree he's not going to excite the youth vote, but they don't tend to show up in big numbers anyway. And he's not my first pick, either-frankly, I find it sad that a field that started off so diverse has come down yet again to two old white men duking it out. But if he can manage to siphon away some of Trump's base, and get a lot of independent voters and whatever remaining moderate Republicans might exist coming on board, then that could bode very well for our chances come November.

Plus, we don't know yet who he might pick for his VP. There's been a few really good names floating around, and if he picks the right person for that role, that could go a long way towards helping entice more voters as well.

I'm also looking at it in the sense that I wouldn't just be voting for Biden. I can at least be assured he'd hire people for important positions that were experienced and knew their stuff. I can be guaranteed that he'd pick good federal judges, and would support decent SC judges as well.

And I also want people to pay attention to the down-ticket races as well. 'Cause frankly, we could have the most progressive presidential candidate imaginable, but that won't matter if the Senate stays red, 'cause they'll do their damndest to stonewall all their efforts. We need to turn the Senate in our favor, and try and keep the House as well. So I"m looking at this vote on an all-encompassing level, and I think that's how a lot of other voters should try and see it as well.

Re: Vent thread

[philstar22]

That makes sense. And Sanders wasn't my first choice either. Warren was. I think she could have won, but she made one big mistake that cost her. But between Biden and Sanders, personally I think Sanders is the better option. But I will vote for Biden if he gets the nom because Trump is not just evil in an abstract sense but has done things that destroys the lives of my clients and has killed former clients of mine. Trump is personal for me. I even would have voted for Bloomberg if he had been the nominee, as awful as he was.

Re: Vent thread

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Yep, your sentiments about Warren and Bernie are mine as well. I agree with your whole post in general. I just cannot do four more years of the insanity that is the Trump administration. I really can't.

And I feel like that's where a good portion of the country is as well. I think they're just exhausted with Trump and his antics, and current events are just further exposing how utterly inept he and his administration are. I really do feel like a lot of people are desperate for a change and a return to some kind of normalcy and calm, and that seems to be what they think Biden can bring. He's a familiar presence, he's somebody who's been in the White House already*, so they'll take it, even if he's not most people's ideal candidate. Almost like he can be a stepping stone to get us somewhat stable again, and then as time goes on we can start working to push forward with the more liberal stuff from there.

*That is one rather amusing element of Biden being the likely nominee. Trump ran and won on talking about how shitty the Obama administration was (and, of course, capitalized on the racism among those who couldn't stand that we had a black president for eight years), only for people to ultimately decide four years later that no, they're pretty okay with bringing back some element of that administration because Trump reminded them just how much better the previous administration actually was :p.

Re: Vent thread

[(Anonymous)]

I think the safest assumption in general to make (when thinking in terms of electability) is that any Trump voter who says that they would vote for someone else is lying. I don't mean that you should respond that way to anyone who says so personally, but I don't think that you should rely on getting even a single vote from that demographic. Any votes you get there are purely a bonus not to be relied on. And so if you set those people aside, the electability plan for Biden basically seems to be to run Hillary Clinton's strategy again and hope you do better with suburban moderate/conservative independents. Which, I mean, as strategies go, I wouldn't say that I'm in love with it. Especially with a campaigner in Joe Biden who has many substantial weaknesses purely as a campaigner. I think it is inherently risky, at least as risky as running on Bernie's appeal to youth and independent voters.

And it's especially frustrating because at least, if you run Bernie, you're taking that risk for a president with some genuinely good policy ideas. If you run Biden, you're taking that risk for a president whose best quality is that he is not Donald Trump. Which, it's true, he's not! He's a million times better than Donald Trump. He's also a major ally to banks and credit card companies. He's also considering putting Jamie Dimon, the former head of JP Morgan Chase, in charge of Treasury. He's also virulently opposed to any kind of health plan that could seriously reduce health care costs and medical debt and health care bankruptcy for Americans. And his attitude on outreach to young Americans is "get over it, whiners". So it's not a risk that I'm looking forward to taking.

Re: Vent thread

[(Anonymous)]

My preferred candidate was Bernie and I dislike pretty much everything about Biden. I'm a millenial and the whole "get over it, quit whining" attitude to the suggestion that our generation has things worse than his did completely pisses me off.

I'll still vote for him, though, because as bad as he is, Trump is way worse. He does seem to be this year's version of Hillary, which I'm not thrilled about (I disliked her policies, too, and voted for Bernie in the primary in 2016, although I voted for her in the general) but I think this time it might work. I mean, Hillary still got 3 million more votes than Trump. Biden doesn't get nearly the vitriol that she did, and we'll have had almost four years of Trump by the time we vote, and there's all the horrible things he's done in that time (and he undoubtedly will do much more in the next almost 8 months). So I'm thinking that now that people know how bad Trump is, plus people don't hate Biden nearly as much as they hated Hillary, I think there's probably a pretty decent chance of beating him.

Re: Vent thread

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Oh, yeah, you're right about that, absolutely. I'm not putting too much stock in those stories, nor should the Democrats try and take any time reaching out to them (and I don't really think they are). I agree that the amount of Trump supporters that'll swing to Biden isn't likely going to be all that big, given how diehard his base tends to be. But if we do happen to get any pleasant surprise switches in that regard, even if it's only a small handful of people, then, hey, cool, it's something.

I can understand Biden't strategy, but yeah, you're right that they shouldn't focus heavily on them alone. They definitely need to do whatever they can to energize the Democratic voters as well, and yes, that includes reaching out to younger voters. I hope there is somebody out there who can connect with him on that level, and can find a good way for him to campaign towards young voters and draw them in as well (and in a sincere way, not through hokey memes or things of that sort). That's where a VP pick could really prove helpful, too, I think.

I feel like I could see Biden changing his tune on the healthcare stuff the longer this coronavirus situation lasts. People have been steadily becoming more and more supportive of universal healthcare over the years as it is, but this situation seems to have REALLY confirmed for many Americans once and for all that yes, we definitely need to go that route as soon as possible. Even then, I also wonder if some of Biden's measured comments on those issues are mainly just campaign trail talk to try and entice voters that might otherwise be scared away. I wouldn't automatically assume that what someone says on the campaign trail is an indicator of the way they'll govern.

That said, it's a valid concern nonetheless, and he shouldn't be afraid to speak out in support of that issue if he really did believe, deep down, that it's something we need in this country. But in that case, that's where the public really needs to step up as well. If we feel Biden isn't moving far enough on these important issues in the way we want, then we need to get out there and make him, as well as his administration should he win, listen to us.

But yeah, it's going to be a tough road, for sure. I want to remain hopeful things will work out okay, but I don't blame others for their concern.

Re: Vent thread

[(Anonymous)]

Biden has been in Washington for 47 years! We don't need to look at his campaign statements, we can look at his record, and his record is as a moderate-to-conservative Democrat, on fiscal issues and foreign policy issues and social issues. His track record of policy is extremely long and a lot of it is really shitty. I see very little reason for thinking that he's going to walk over on health care or anything like that.

Again, he would be far better than Trump. And trying to drag the Democratic Party leftwards is not a new thing by any means. But it just seems incredibly senseless, wasteful, and depressing. It bums me out. And like, it's possible that a VP pick could energize the youth and help immensely in regards to winning the election, which is a good thing. But it wouldn't assuage any of my fears about how he's going to govern.