Case (![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
case) wrote in ![[community profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/community.png)
fandomsecrets2008-11-20 04:13 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2008-11-20 04:13 pm
[ SECRET POST #685 ]
⌈ Secret Post #685 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
101.
[Super Junior]
__________________________________________________
102.
[House MD]
__________________________________________________
103.
[Robert Sean Leonard]
__________________________________________________
104.
[Los Campesinos]
__________________________________________________
105.
[Doctor Who/Roswell]
__________________________________________________
106.
[Persona 3]
__________________________________________________
107.
[New York Minute]
__________________________________________________
108.
[Portal]
__________________________________________________
109.
[Chuck]
__________________________________________________
110.
[brothers and sisters]
__________________________________________________
111.
__________________________________________________
112.
[Leonardo DiCaprio, Claire Danes, Freddie Highmore, Dakota Fanning, Jake Gyllenhaal]
__________________________________________________
113.
[National Treasure]
__________________________________________________
114.
[Haruhi Suzumiya; genderbent]
__________________________________________________
115.
[Avatar]
__________________________________________________
116.
[Gintama, Kuroshitsuji]
__________________________________________________
117.
[House MD]
__________________________________________________
118.
[Merlin, Repo]
__________________________________________________
119.
[SUpernatural]
__________________________________________________
120.
__________________________________________________
121.
__________________________________________________
122.
__________________________________________________
123.
[Enchanted]
__________________________________________________
124.
[Avenged Sevenfold]
__________________________________________________
125.
[The Daily Show]
__________________________________________________
126.
[Doctor Who]
__________________________________________________
127.
[Family Guy, Brian]
__________________________________________________
128.
[Evangelion]
__________________________________________________
129.
[House MD]
__________________________________________________
130.
[Merlin]
__________________________________________________
131.
[Big Brother 9 UK]
__________________________________________________
132.
[Bones]
__________________________________________________
133.
__________________________________________________
134.
__________________________________________________
135.
__________________________________________________
136.
[Stargate Atlantis]
__________________________________________________
137.
__________________________________________________
138.
[aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]
__________________________________________________
139.
[Fullmetal Alchemist]
__________________________________________________
140.
[Megaman/Rockman X]
__________________________________________________
141.
__________________________________________________
142.
[Merlin]
__________________________________________________
143.
__________________________________________________
144.
__________________________________________________
145.
__________________________________________________
146.
[disease and eventual death]
__________________________________________________
147.
__________________________________________________
148.
[The Office]
__________________________________________________
149.
[Matthew Rhys\Jason O'Mara]
__________________________________________________
150.
__________________________________________________
151.
__________________________________________________
152.
[Persona 2]
__________________________________________________
153.
[Ace Attorney]
__________________________________________________
154.
[Welcome to the NHK]
__________________________________________________
155.
[Katekyo Hitman Reborn/Torchwood]
__________________________________________________
156.
[Superman the Animated Series]
__________________________________________________
157.
[Dogtanian and The Muskahounds]
__________________________________________________
158.
__________________________________________________
159.
[xxxHoLiC]
__________________________________________________
160.
[Shugo Chara Doki!]
__________________________________________________
161.
__________________________________________________
162.
__________________________________________________
163.
__________________________________________________
164.
__________________________________________________
165.
Notes:
CITY STUFF → http://lolbuttsex.myminicity.com/
Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 075 secrets from Secret Submission Post #098.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - doing it wrong ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
Re: 138
The groundwork for her submissive personality was already (rather cleverly, actually) laid out way back in 3.09. We know she can act obedient if she wants to for manipulative purposes. When we catch up with her in the flashbacks for the first time in 4.09, she was still her snarky, abrasive self. But Sam tells her to GTFO, so she returns in a new body (not because she felt possessing a live person was wrong, but because she'd never be able to get close to Sam otherwise) and then acts nicer so he won't kick her out again. And because technically he can send her ass back to hell any time now--and because she seems to need him for some reason (kill Lilith, possibly, although I suspect there's more), it's in her best interests to keep being nice to him. She's won his trust and there's no reason to lose it by being all sarcastic again the way she was in S3. Watch the way she switches almost immediately from pleading ("what's wrong?") to pure seduction when she's coming onto Sam. That abrupt flip is manipulation at its best right there, where she's all about finding the right mode to wear Sam down.
I don't think her portrayal of Ruby is entirely a fault of Cortese. I think a large part of it is actual deliberate direction (there is no, no way that Kripke and the directors would allow her to act so far off base; the painfully flat line delivery I agree is all Cortese, but the actual portrayal of Ruby's character--not so much. Although Cortese did improve immensely this last episode which was nice to see.)
That said, I also don't think it's impossible for her to be both a demon and recall her humanity. That's not to say I think she's good or that she is in any way a real human. What she may retain is some twisted sparks of human feelings which can be an interesting scenario because it makes her a wild card among a bunch of demons who essentially want to a) destroy the world/cause random chaos or b) serve the YED's endgame/serve Lilith/raise Lucifer. It lets her become a demon who has an agenda of her own, serving neither evil nor good, but herself and using Sam to get where she wants to be.
Humanity =/= sparkly feelings. Sam's got human feelings, too, but he's hardly sparkly. And I also think it's possible for her to love Sam without it being romantic because love doesn't always equal romance either. Love can easily border on obsession or neediness and it's a very fine line.
Plus, I really don't care of Ruby loves/cares for Sam in her own twisted way because Sam doesn't love Ruby. He trusts her on a professional level (she won't betray him) and there might be a slight emotional connection because she did save his life, but there's never been a single spark of romance between them, especially not on Sam's end. When Ruby isn't there, he's not pining after her or even showing any sign that he notices she's missing. Ruby's the one who's always having to seek him out.
So until Sam starts making googly eyes over her and taking her out on dates, I'm perfectly okay with him a) feeling like he owes her in some way because that makes sense and doesn't indicate romance; b) banging her for purely physical and non-romantic reasons; and c) using her to find a way to both kill Lilith and obtain other useful information.
Re: 138
And now I'll leave. Continue your convo. <3
Re: 138
Re: 138