[ SECRET POST #4845 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4845 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

BOY oh boy do I disagree with you on the squickiness part.

That said, I do agree that it should be tagged - everyone should be able to avoid their squicks, and I should be able to find every one of these fics.

[philstar22]

This. This is actually one of my favorite kinks. Willful and/or strongwilled character who everyone assumes would be dominant/alpha but actually is completely submissive is one of my favorite kinks. But authors should totally be willing to tag things if someone says it squicks or triggers them.

[(Anonymous)]

Did you mean Vegeta? :)

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah! If they tagged it we'd all benefit! But it's so common place I assume it's like 'dicks are touched': they don't tag because it's pretty much a given, specially for some pairings.

[(Anonymous)]

Seconding this heavily. Strong-willed character who is secretly gagging to be dommed is so, so hot to me. Or strong-willed character who doesn't even realize how much they want to be dommed until the other character does something that makes them hyper aware of it. Unf.

It's the main way I'm into D/s in fanfic, period.

That said, I have no problem with the idea of tagging it if it squicks people.

[(Anonymous)]

Am I misunderstanding this trope? Like, are they forced into submitting, is this dubcon or something? Or you just don't like the 'dog with the biggest bark secretly wants to be leashed' trope?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

The latter. I resent the implication that if you have a strong personality you MUST secretly be a sub.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think anyone says they "have" to be a sub. I find that the assumption is usually the opposite: stronger/bigger partner is always dominant, weaker/partner is always sub. I find it refreshing when the opposite happens because it is so rare.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

FWIW I don't think the kink requires that everyone MUST want to be a sub. Everyone has their squicks and they're no more in need of justification than kinks, and clearly this is the way that you interpret the thing, so fair enough. But it's not *intrinsic* in the idea.

[(Anonymous)]

Ohhh yeah OP. I think we're both in the minority but I hate this thing too. If I like a strong character the last thing I want to see is them portrayed as a whimpering sub. I just don't get it.

[(Anonymous)]

Nothing wrong with preferring strong characters to be dominant, but the way you worded this is coming off pretty offensive. You've basically at least implied that sub=weak and strong could not possibly be synonymous with sub. Also called all subs whimpering.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, that's the exact thing I've ran into in fandom? I never claimed ALL bdsm is like that, but it's the style I personally dislike. What's your point?

[(Anonymous)]

+1

i like subby characters, but i like them subbing in the sense that they're just really happy to do things for their dom, but they're not written like some weepy baby who cries at the slightest provocation or can't make any choices at all.

personal preference and all, but it's just a major turn off for me.

[tabaqui]

This. I really prefer a sub who fights, cusses, kicks, bites - basically makes the dom work fucking hard for it.

(No, not rape, just someone who really wants something, but cannot bring themselves to admit it, and will fight to the bitter end before finally giving into, you know...orgasmic ecstasy.)

:D

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think a character being portrayed as a sub makes them weak, outside of the BDSM context. And what really works for me about it is the feeling that the character is actively choosing to submit because they want and need to submit. It's just a really hot dynamic to me.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

This is why I love it when the stronger character submits. To me what is hottest is if the sub character could physically overpower the dom character and leave at any time but they choose not to because they want to submit and they trust the dom character to be the one they submit to.

This to me is much hotter than D/s where the dom character is physically stronger and uses that strength to insist on their dominance. Complete trust and submission as a choice takes BDSM to the next level for me and makes it the hottest possible.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but sub=weak weeping baby is super common in some fandoms.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm fine with the trope, but I'm with you on the tagging thing.

[(Anonymous)]

What would you tag that as? It isn't a common enough trope to have a name.

[(Anonymous)]

I imagine you'd just tag 'submissive (character name)' and if that character fit the trope then OP and others with the same feeling would be able to avoid.

For me, personally, it depends a LOT on the character in question-- there are different kinds of willful character, and some of them feel like they would enjoy submitting and that it would give them some balance and give back to the strength they display in the rest of their lives, and others it feels like they would NEVER and it would be hugely violating to their sense of self!

One of my favorite ships, it's very popular to view with the characters in a D/s dynamic that makes absolutely no sense to me given everything about the two and I do find it squicky at best, when the character who gets slotted into the submissive role (in large part I think because of his looks) is someone who's spent a long time fighting to have any autonomy and to be able to define himself and to get to be treated like a person at all. But another ship has a character who's had to free himself from previous abusive relationships and is outwardly strong-willed, but who I think would get a lot of healing out of submission in a consensual situation, where he knows he has the power to control everything but is able to relax his hypervigilance and control with someone he trusts (and even though he has canonically enjoyed pain, in that fandom it's rare to find him as the sub because he's outwardly willful, so it also comes down to what individual fandoms prefer I suppose). Like, it's all about individual psychology to me rather than being a question of broad tropes. But I can get how you feel, just... it's difficult when you WANT BDSM fics but you have opinions about who should take which role that aren't always in step with fandom trends.

(come to think of it, another one of my big ships, I've gone REAL in-depth analyzing who would Dom/sub and the whole fandom is just like 'the short one is submissive and the angry one is Dominant' and I swear it's things like that that push me from 'I think it's most realistic that these characters switch' to 'YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE WRONG')

[(Anonymous)]

How should this trope be (or how is it) tagged?

ME TOO OP

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh ugh ugh. Please warn for how the wilful character just needs to be put down hard. Serious squick.

[(Anonymous)]

You are not alone in your squick, OP. I wish this was tagged as well, so I could avoid it.

[(Anonymous)]

Hard agree. I hate it when its treated like a given that a headstrong or emotionally prickly character (not always, but frequently a woman in my personal experience) must secretly WANT to be dommed, regardless of what they actually say they want and end up basically getting hounded or pressured into it and they realize that it's 'what they wanted all along'. Even if the kink makes sense for the character to have, the fact that the other character is pressuring them when they aren't totally comfortable with it skeeves me the hell out.