[ SECRET POST #4850 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4850 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt idk it just seems like it says a lot about the state of content and fandom that making works based on purely stereotypical assumptions is about as effective as actually working from the characterization (or lack thereof, I guess)

[(Anonymous)]

I guess I just don't get what the intrinsic value is in canon characterization

[(Anonymous)]

...and I guess I can't possibly grasp what's NOT important about that, so we're at an impasse. Lovely chat.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that puts us at an impasse! I can understand how someone would prefer canon characterization. I'm not saying that canon characterization is bad. I just don't understand how it's intrinsically valuable.

[(Anonymous)]

Because...that's what I'm in the fandom for? That's why I'm reading fic? Because I like those specific characters and the way they are in canon and I want more of them, specifically, not a cookie cutter with their names slapped on.

[(Anonymous)]

I get why you like it

I don't get why it's yikes and sad if someone else doesn't

[(Anonymous)]

Because then why are you even a fan?

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, if you wanna have fun, go for it. But to represent and interpret material you haven't personally experienced for yourself is a little weird, and as you've found out, you can't rely solely on other people's interpretations.

[(Anonymous)]

I want to be clear that I am not the anon who started this thread and I am sure their reasons are much better and more cogent than anything I have to say about it

[(Anonymous)]

+1

this is what frustrates me so much about a lot of fic these days, people are just defaulting to some fandom cookie cutter dynamic and i dislike it so much. i'm not here for OC's with the same names, i want the characters to actually act like themselves.

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[(Anonymous)]

If people want to write original fiction they should just do it, not paste their crappy OC's over existing characters. Honestly, I don't see how people don't get that, like what's the actual reason to write/read fanfiction if you don't care about what/who you're writing about...

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[(Anonymous)]

There really is a huge difference between 'based on' and 'inspired by'.

[(Anonymous)]

Because you might as well be writing about somebody else entirely. In a completely different universe. Which would lead me to wonder what on earth you found appealing about the character in the first place. Might as well write original fiction "inspired" by the series.

[(Anonymous)]

Might be better characterization, though.

[(Anonymous)]

It's generally not.

[(Anonymous)]

Generally most things aren't good.

And really, the whole premise of fanfiction is that there's something wrong with the source material, even if it's just that there's not enough of it, and there's no fanfiction that's precisely equivalent to its source material. And it's not like there's a surfeit of things out there with dodgy characterization.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

No, it's not actually. It's about exploring the world and the canon interactions, it's about expanding on the source material not dismissing it. The only time this isn't (or shouldn't) be the case it in fix-it fics, but those wouldn't exist if the writers didn't care about the show. Wanting to make a better ending, having it not end at all, or reversing a characters death, means you actually have to care enough about the series/characters otherwise they wouldn't bother trying to fix it in the first place.

SA- sorry, nayrt*

[(Anonymous)]

Don't know how I missed that.

[(Anonymous)]

It can be about a lot of different things. Fanfiction doesn't have to be just one thing. Even the most direct, faithful fanfiction is changing things about the source material, and there's plenty of fanfiction that comes out of anger or dislike of the source material, or that rejects part of the canon entirely.

[(Anonymous)]

None of that is to the point of not even writing about the actual characters though. Of course fanfiction can be anything, but at a certain point, it entirely stops being "fanfiction".

[(Anonymous)]

You can't properly change the source material if you don't read/watch/play/listen to the source material.

You can't reject canon unless you know it first.

[(Anonymous)]

Yet how can you know what's wrong with the source material if you don't even bother to check it out for yourself?

And no, "because someone else said..." doesn't cut it.

[(Anonymous)]

That post was about why people would read fanfiction like that. But if anything, it seems easier to come up with reasons why someone might find it an interesting exercise to write fanfiction like that

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Nada. Ayrt was right, you can't accept or reject something without knowing what it is first. The post is about people using stereotypes as a moniker for established characters. Their response was towards people who apparently think that proper characterization isn't integral to writing.
Simply put, it isn't fanfiction if it isn't about a series or it's characters. Write original fiction if you want to exercise bland stereotypes, that's all.

[(Anonymous)]

No it's usually 1000x worse and unbearably bland.