[ SECRET POST #4857 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4857 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[fscom]

I don't think the Dukat/Trump comparisons are funny. Dukat was a tragic villain who wanted to help his people and was driven mad by the death of his daughter, Trump is just a bully who only cares about his own ego. Just because there are some superficial similarities doesn't mean Dukat deserves to be compared to him like that.

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[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you, but asking assholes to be reasonable is folly.

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[(Anonymous)]

"assholes" seems really strong here, anon. like, really REALLY strong.

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[greghousesgf]

the ferengi would make Trump their king

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[(Anonymous)]

The ferengi would shoot him out an airlock.
The man bankrupted multiple casinos.

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[kamino_neko]

But he managed to avoid consequences from that, himself. How they reacted to the bankruptcies would really depend how connected the people he screwed were.

The biggest problem he'd have in the Alliance is how much power he tends to give to Ivanka. (But not, of course for the sensible reasons of 'she's unqualified and only competent in comparison to the males in her family', but because she's a woman.)

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[(Anonymous)]

God, people are so obsessed with Trump. ROFLMAO. Move on and get a life.

[philstar22]

That's an...interesting take on Dukat. He's not Trump that's true. He has nuance, true. But he's not just tragic and not just "driven insane by the death of his daughter." He was always a megalomaniac xenophobe with delusions of grandeur. They gave him more nuance with Ziyal and with his rejection of the Cardassian peace with the Klingons. But those other characteristics were always there from the beginning too.

Let's not forget that he oversaw the occupation of Bajor. Even if we knew nothing else evil about him, he wouldn't just be a tragic villain because he has that in his past.

But I also think making comparisons between fictional characters and real world politicians endangering real people and getting real people killed is not funny.

[(Anonymous)]

Are any jokes about real world politicians funny and acceptable, or just blanket no?

[philstar22]

I'd say it would depend on the politician. Personally not a fan, but I think tamer versions with milder politicians would be okay even if I'd avoid. But Trump has gotten people killed. Many people. Trump is played off as a joke a little too much when the things he says and does have real world consequences. I know people who are dead now because of him and his people. He's not a joke.

[(Anonymous)]

He's not a joke but there are a huge number of impossibly absurd things about and around him, and I think laughing at those things is a reasonable response and a way of coping. I don't think any joke made about him should downplay the seriousness of who he is and what he's done, but I reject in the strongest possible terms that it's unacceptable to make a joke connected to him at all.

[philstar22]

Okay, yes, you are right. I misread what you said. I don't have a problem with joking about him per say. Just with fictional character comparisons because people often like those characters (villains have fans, and in this case I personally think Dukat was an intelligent, well-written villain), meaning that the joke might inadvertently be a positive for Trump. Plus, I don't like the idea of fictionalizing the words he says because he is actually saying these things.

But no, I don't think we need to get rid of all jokes with him.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. Dukat was a zealot convinced that he knew what was best for both Cardassia and Bajor, unfortunately that included concentration camps, purges, and slave labor for the Bajorans. The tragedy behind Ziyal is that it was his best chance to change is mind and atone.

[(Anonymous)]

They're superficial similarities that lead to really funny Internet content, so

[(Anonymous)]

People do that? What the fuck? Poor Dukat.

[(Anonymous)]

Right??

[4thofeleven]

Oh, come on - the show was hardly subtle about who they were referencing. "Make Cardassia Strong Again"?! It was a pretty blatant-

Wait, what? From the 1990s? Twenty-five years ago?

Huh.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's accurate to say that they're both derivative of the same kinds of egoism and racism.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem with comparing Trump to any fictional villain is that nearly every fictional villain, regardless of the quality of the source material, still possesses better work ethic and planning than Donald Trump. Yeah, villains on Power Rangers keep doing the same thing over and over, but they're still crafting and sending out monsters which proves they have better work ethic.

I relate to things via pop culture (Abed from Community is my spirit animal), but when it comes to Trump, any and all references break down. There doesn't seem to be any fictional villain that embodies Trump's particular brand of villainy, where you have malignant narcissism, willful ignorance, rancid bigotry, a complete and utter lack of any natural curiosity, petty cruelty, so thinned-skinned as to be all but translucent, and a pathological indolence that somehow makes all of this so much worse.

Trump is basically a seventy-something Joffrey, but the problem is, even Joffrey still has better work ethic than Trump.

[(Anonymous)]

Joffrey still has better work ethic than Trump.

What. No, he doesn't. Unless by work ethic, you mean most of the time he knew enough to get out of his more competent grandfather's way and let him run the country without too much interference.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I don't know who this is but yeah even having the presence of mind to let someone more competent take over means he's a lot better than Trump any day.

[(Anonymous)]

It's amazing that fictional characters have more depth and nuance than an actual human being Donald Trump.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought of the Joffrey comparison too, especially with how Margaery knew how to manipulate him by playing on his ego, though even then I think he was more sympathetic than 45.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, Joffrey is a bit more sympathetic in that he was a teenager, as opposed to Trump who is supposed to be a grown-ass adult in his seventies.