[ SECRET POST #4857 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4857 ⌋

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Comments

[philstar22]

That's an...interesting take on Dukat. He's not Trump that's true. He has nuance, true. But he's not just tragic and not just "driven insane by the death of his daughter." He was always a megalomaniac xenophobe with delusions of grandeur. They gave him more nuance with Ziyal and with his rejection of the Cardassian peace with the Klingons. But those other characteristics were always there from the beginning too.

Let's not forget that he oversaw the occupation of Bajor. Even if we knew nothing else evil about him, he wouldn't just be a tragic villain because he has that in his past.

But I also think making comparisons between fictional characters and real world politicians endangering real people and getting real people killed is not funny.

[(Anonymous)]

Are any jokes about real world politicians funny and acceptable, or just blanket no?

[philstar22]

I'd say it would depend on the politician. Personally not a fan, but I think tamer versions with milder politicians would be okay even if I'd avoid. But Trump has gotten people killed. Many people. Trump is played off as a joke a little too much when the things he says and does have real world consequences. I know people who are dead now because of him and his people. He's not a joke.

[(Anonymous)]

He's not a joke but there are a huge number of impossibly absurd things about and around him, and I think laughing at those things is a reasonable response and a way of coping. I don't think any joke made about him should downplay the seriousness of who he is and what he's done, but I reject in the strongest possible terms that it's unacceptable to make a joke connected to him at all.

[philstar22]

Okay, yes, you are right. I misread what you said. I don't have a problem with joking about him per say. Just with fictional character comparisons because people often like those characters (villains have fans, and in this case I personally think Dukat was an intelligent, well-written villain), meaning that the joke might inadvertently be a positive for Trump. Plus, I don't like the idea of fictionalizing the words he says because he is actually saying these things.

But no, I don't think we need to get rid of all jokes with him.

[(Anonymous)]

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It's pretty unlikely that the joke would be inadvertently positive for Trump. It's a lot more likely that it would just irritate the shit out of the fans of whichever villain he's being compared to, because their fave deserves better than to be compared to a moldy kumquat.

[philstar22]

I'd like to think so. unfortunately, Trump somehow still has fans.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. Dukat was a zealot convinced that he knew what was best for both Cardassia and Bajor, unfortunately that included concentration camps, purges, and slave labor for the Bajorans. The tragedy behind Ziyal is that it was his best chance to change is mind and atone.