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08. [SPOILERS for What We Do In The Shadows, Season 2, Episode 2]
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This annoyed me a bit too. I saw someone on Twitter treating it like this ground-breaking addition to vampire lore, but it doesn't make sense to me for the exact reasons you say

Exactly, they way they brought it up was just odd, and even more so by the way they executed it. I was really just not a fan.

Oh, they're doing the Buffy idea? That the vampire is a demon with the memories of the person that was murdered, and the actual soul of the deceased is a separate thing?

It's not a new idea for undead, that they're only echoes of the deceased (ghosts) or their corpse being piloted by eldritch beings/forces (vampires, revenants, skeletons). Sometimes it works better than others. I haven't seen this one, but I will say it did bug the hell out of me in Buffy.

I liked it in Buffy but I literally came to the comments to see if anyone was going to bring up that this happened twenty years ago in Buffy

Were there vampire ghosts in Buffy? Honesty I don't remember, so I am genuinely asking.

It took me to the ayrt comment to remember that soulless vampires existed as a thing that basically separated the 'good' vampires from 'evil'. In What We Do In The Shadows, there isn't this sort of moral conflict, they'll essentially act as an experienced souled (idk? vampire with a soul) vampire by Buffy's standards.

I think I mostly just used the wrong wording, but the only alternative to 'soul' is 'spirit' that I can think of. Basically what bothered me so much was that as far as canon pokes hints at (since they do reference olden mythology about vampires for a a half a second) vampires in this world wouldn't have ghosts since they retain everything that made them who they were when they were human.
There has been people turned in the show before. The process is basically (and I mentioned this above) being infected by a parasite of sorts (by ingesting the vampires blood) which ends up shifting the body in a fairly gruesome/magically manner unto that of which a vampire can survive. (at least this is my take, since I don't believe they go into the exact details as to why in the show) The transformation results to death of the infected but almost simultaneously a rebirth into a new fledgling vampire.

I wouldn't quite call it the Buffy idea. These ghosts (that the vampires actually talked to!) seemed much like their vampire counterparts. There was no moral judgment in the text about a soul or ghost making you not 'good.'

(Though obviously the vampires kill people all the time, so they're not good by most standards.)

IDK, Buffy made it a big thing, but this show is hardly constructing its worldbuilding around it.

Yes! Very good point! I should have thought of a different word to describe what I was trying to say, I'm only now coming up with 'spirit' but I'm not sure if that's exactly right either unfortunately...

It took me a minute to remember how Buffy used a soul in reference to a vampire, but in that context I may have just worded my secret a little poorly. Like the episode was about summoning a persons spirit for whatever reason, and the main group of vampires thought it would be a laugh to ouija their own ghosts just for fun. As far as the series depicts, vampirism is more of a curse than a possession. They have all the same quirks and attitudes that they had when they were alive, the only difference it that they have physical vampiric traits. Technically, Collin (the only one who didn't summon a ghost) existing as a 'day walker' and as an emotional vampire sort of gives me the impression that, if anything, vampirism is more of an infection/disease than a demon existing in the hosts body.

I guess I should have used spirit instead of soul, since arguably being turned might technically corrupt the soul as the body dies.
Like I know I am way too overthinking this, but part of the show pokes fun at existing mythology surrounding vampires so it really just threw me off I guess.
(if any of this makes sense that is...)

The whole vampires don't have a soul trope isn't new. Depending on where you get your vampire lore the reason they don't have a reflection is because they don't have a soul. some myths say their vampires because they sold their soul to a demon. Since almost every culture has a vampire like myth there are really no hard and fast rules on little details like souls.

The thing is that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of different origins when it comes to vampires. The vampires in this show would arguably be in a vague christian existence (being burned by both silver and the bible). The original story as to why vampires have no reflection in this case is because before mirrors, or even mercury based reflections were a thing, what people would do is polish silver to the point it became a reflective surface. Silver was deadly to vampires (from what I can recall this was a base in christian vampirism, as a 'holy substance', along with blessed water, faith, because of its apparent purity) So technically the vampires in the show should have reflections, but that is such an age old belief that it really doesn't matter the specifics for anymore. (which honestly I could say the same for a lot of this) (and like because this is a comedy so this is already way to much thought process from the begging.)
Technically the first christian vampire was (apparently, thought I might be wrong) Desdemona who tricked Kain/Abel (aka whichever one died) but fuck if I know the bible enough to know what happened next. (so if

philstar22 wants to help me out, cheers girl. <3)

Regardless! The show pokes fun at a lot of vampiric origins, the idea that a vampire should have a ghost, because that is the issue I am having here, not the soul thing. (which is why I think 'spirit' would be a more appropriate term now, rather than 'soul'.)
Vampires cannot have ghosts since they are undead, not dead dead. Losing ones literal humanity is not the same as losing the core of who you are. I guess is what I'm pathetically trying to say.

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