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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-04-24 05:40 pm

[ SECRET POST #4858 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4858 ⌋

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08. [SPOILERS for What We Do In The Shadows, Season 2, Episode 2]



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09. [WARNING for transphobia]




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OP

(Anonymous) 2020-04-25 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
I don't make people post photos of themselves, nor do I ask. They do it of their own accord. I don't care that much what they identify as. But with so many ftm and no bio men I'm just bothered that some of them identify as trans because they don't like women, and think of womanhood as something frilly and vapid.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2020-04-25 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
DA

Why do you care, though? What does it matter if they're "really" trans or not, especially when they're people online that you (most likely) will never meet?

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2020-04-25 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
Because OP thinks prejudice is a hierarchy and internalized misogyny is worse than external transphobia.

OP

(Anonymous) 2020-04-25 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
No, I don't believe either of those things. It just makes me uncomfortable that there are suddenly so many transmen all of a sudden, to the point where I question if some of them are just putting on that label because of internalized misogyny. I worry that they judge me as inferior because I identify as a woman. A transman I was close to who hated women would sometimes not acknowledge that I'm a woman just because I act masculine in a lot of ways, and I felt really upset about it. Like he could only acknowledge me as acceptable if I wasnt a woman.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2020-04-25 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
DA

it sucks that this person treated you that way, and youre absolutely right to be uncomfortable with misogyny, but it sounds like you are projecting a lot of your personal experiences onto people who havent earned it. im judgemental of misogynistic trans men too. i have no beef with trans men who dont behave that way.

if youre okay with hanging out with men in general without worrying about them being misogynistic but assume trans men in particular will be, thats weird to me. if youre not okay with hanging out with men in general, then... i still dont get why youre focusing so much on trans men?

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2020-04-25 10:25 am (UTC)(link)
ayrt

In all sincerity, have you asked this of them yourself? It might actually help you, and by extension all parties involved, to get this out of your system. Like in general, do you have any real basis for perceiving what they say as some sort of measure to validate their gender? Stereotypes and common assumptions mean nothing when behind a screen. Interpretation can only be your own, and should not be assaulted upon unknowing individuals involved in causal conversation.
I don't know what these people have said that has you feeling this way, but that is why I wonder if you have addressed them directly or not. These are sensitive subjects to some people, so with every grace you have, I would caution you to question them with complete honesty and curiosity towards the intention of their behaviours. (aka please don't be a dick about basically...like, seriously, please don't)

Like if they classify themselves as a man/woman, refer to them as such, there's no other room for argument, regardless of what you believe their intentions might be. Their intentions only make a difference when you want them to make a difference. I honestly think this could be a great time to educate yourself, if this discord is willing, and you are willing to be patient, kind, and willing to learn,
Right now all I see is you making a lot of assumptions, and let it be known that no assumption makes for truth without agreement on its side..