[ SECRET POST #4859 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4859 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

02. https://i.imgur.com/dgm2QKT.png

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get shipping out of spite. How does that even work?

[(Anonymous)]

I always though it was when you create fanworks just to annoy people? but maybe that's not it.

[(Anonymous)]

It's happened to me a couple of times, though I can never keep up the energy, because my interest is insincere at its core.

For me it goes like this: a fandom juggernaut ship becomes extremely irritating to me, usually either because all the fanart I see is OOC, or because its fans are toxic and unavoidable. So I start supporting a competing ship out of spite, hoping my contribution helps tip the scales in the competing ship's favor. I know it doesn't really work like that, but it helps me feel a little better.

[(Anonymous)]

Well I've done it when I already liked a ship - like when someone go out their way to talk shit in the tags about that particular ship, then I get motivated to make more content for that ship as a way to indirectly say 'fuck you' to said shit talker while having a good time.

[(Anonymous)]

I have genuinely started liking ships and characters because they were hated on. Is that what you mean by spite shipping?

If people are always talking about how much they hate a ship or character, it takes on a perverse and transgressive appeal for me.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with OP - this absolutely makes no sense to me. Either I like the dynamics of the ship or I don't, other people's opinions don't change what the dynamic of the relationship fundamentally is

[(Anonymous)]

I'm somewhere between you and OP, I think. I do have to have SOME fondness for the ship and its characters to actually create or even consume content... however, I'm certainly sometimes motivated by seeing people hate things I like-- I wrote one of my OTPs a little harder after someone else in the fandom said one half of the ship was too boring and that the other half deserved someone better. I didn't fight with my fellow fan-- we agree on a LOT of things in and out of that fandom. But it made me want to work harder to use my work to 'defend the honor' of that character and ship.

(when it comes to top/bottom discourse within a ship I'm already invested in, though... BOY I've discovered I can be VERY spite-motivated there. In more than one fandom I've gone from 'they switch'/'who even CARES about this?' to solely writing the more vocally hated-on version)

[(Anonymous)]

+1, me too. I won't start shipping something I genuinely dislike or am bored by, but seeing other people hate on a ship I mildly enjoy is a surefire way to make me like it more and write fic about it. Very motivating!

[(Anonymous)]

i'm with OP in finding it boggling. i literally can't like something just because it's getting hated on, even if it's unfairly. i either like a dynamic or i don't, and other peoples opinions won't change that nor will it make me ship something i never had an interest in, or ruin a ship i like.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel the same. Nice painting.

[(Anonymous)]

I might spite-ship it in the sense of wanting it to be canon out of spite, but I'm not going to go read fic about it or anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I'm with you on this, if I'm not already into the ship then people hating on it won't suddenly make me like it. And tbh I find it super-annoying when I DO like a hated ship because my fandom corners become nothing but people making it a Point about them spite-shipping and it gets tiresome as fuck, because they become less about the actual ship and more about going looking for fights to get self-righteously angry over when they could just... make content.

(But I'm gonna be honest, I think some of these spite-shipping types enjoy being perpetual victims more than what they're shipping).

[(Anonymous)]

I only maybe spite ship in the sense that constant hate for a ship and meta about why it's Bad will make actual fans of the ship defend it, and sometimes their points about the ship will interest me and make me see it in a way I hadn't thought of before, so I'll start shipping it. It feels like I'm spiting all the haters, but at the same time I do actually like the ship for its own reasons.

I don't know how many spite shippers experience something similar and just call it spite shipping as a shorthand, but I'm willing to bet a lot of so-called spite shippers are in it for more than just pure spite.

[(Anonymous)]

I tend to ship the alternate ship for a character I like if I hate a ship. I don't like Will/Jack so I ship Sparrington extra hard.

[tabaqui]

I have no comment on the secret but, again - can you tell me the artist? The water closest to us in the picture, it looks *transparent*, it's amazing!

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. I usually can immediately tell whether I like a ship enough to spend any energy on and honestly it's very rare ANY ships do it for me. I'm just really picky. I want the whole package too, it has to be aesthetically pleasing, I have to like both characters individually, I have to be able to tell an interesting story based off of "what ifs" pertaining to their canon storylines/dynamic, etc. Now, I can read some one-shots and smutfics for a ship even when I'm not really into it if the writing is good and/or I'm in the mood for some NSFW but anything beyond that I can't get into it at all.

The closest I've come to spiteshipping is being all "yay I support the shippers for shipping this, stick it to the haters!" but I can't ever really get into the ship myself just out of spite.

[meadowphoenix]

I find spite-shipping very easy, but then again, "figure out a way to convince other people you're right" and "now argue convincingly against what you just argued" is like the main point of law school so....

suffice it to say, I'm pretty good at looking at two characters and finding an angle for them, i.e. where their quirks might work well together, and I get annoyed when people reject logic to hate on something, so spite-shipping can be very enjoyable to me.

[venusundae]

i feel you. i've never been able to hold onto anything about a ship i had no interest in before even if it'd be fun to rub in people's faces that i did have a certain reaction haha.

also i love shipping secrets that have beautiful dramatic art or phoography of ships on an ocean wassup

[(Anonymous)]

I completely agree. My sister is a huge spite-shipper and it's honestly just extremely annoying to hear about. We'll go into a show with neutral opinions, talk about what we like/dislike only for her to change her opinion (sometimes a full 180) after seeing what people think online by the next day.
It's purely contrary thinking and it makes no sense to me. Sometimes fans can be very annoying/unfair to a character, so I get being influenced by a fanbase, but that doesn't change the character themselves. Most of a time there's legitimate reason a character gets hate, so I don't get changing your opinion based on a legitimate reaction, even if it does get a little much from time to time.

[(Anonymous)]

Do people actually do this? Like don't get me wrong, I've been in situation where I found myself saying "I'm shipping this even harder out of spite, now" whenever annoying jerks on the internet went on a moral crusade against the fictional ship I was interested into- But I never started out of spite. It was always been something I took a liking to in the first place, and went even harder at when finding out the ship had vocal protesters.

I really can't imagine trying to get into a ship out of spite in the first place. Sounds weird.

[(Anonymous)]

Usually, for me, it's not a ship that I had negative feelings toward before the bashers showed up. It's been a canon ship that I was either mildly positive or indifferent to that got hate solely for getting in the way of the fandom juggernaut ship. And let's face it, when that happens in fandom it usually comes with a heaping helping of female character bashing to boot. So it's less about trying to get into a new ship out of spite and more supporting the ship that was already there in spite of the loud chunk of fandom insisting that obviously Character C is an abusive harpy who's just using Character A and clearly Character B needs to save him from her evil clutches.