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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-05-23 02:06 pm

[ SECRET POST #4887 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4887 ⌋

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Re: Secrets you DO NOT want to be made

[personal profile] meadowphoenix 2020-05-24 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
idk, I think archetypes gain depth through experience, which is what makes them feel different than other characters with the same formation. And I think treating them as if they are pre-plot in sequels, when they should have a post-plot interiority means that a writer doesn't actually understand archetypes in general, or these archetypes in particular. And the sequel trilogy did NOT give Luke or Han that post-plot interiority, though I think that mattered less, or not at all lol, for Han. (And I'm not talking about straight consistency, I mean the idea that the previous events have acted on the character in such a way as to make them intelligible in the new media). I think Leia has the straightest narrative path so that her position in the sequel trilogy makes sense. I think understanding Luke's position needs so much audience work that I'm not surprised people, including me, didn't like it (and I actually think the problem is that Luke is SO archetypal and his journey is SO conventional. I don't have a problem with deconstructing that. But I think if a character has learned and acted on the belief that ~no one is truly bad if they're family~ and he at one point decided to like disbelieve that then....I need more information lmao.)

Can't speak to the EU at all.

Mind you, this has always been a issue. Ask any classicist about whether characters you see in the Iliad are the same as those in the Odyssey or those in the Aeneid. Does Sophocles' Oedipus trilogy have a consistent portrait of Oedipus or Antigone or is their narrative purpose so different that the characters themselves are different? It's such an old question even for archetypes so I don't blame people for asking it.