[ SECRET POST #4887 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4887 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Secrets you DO NOT want to be made

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a Star Wars fans, but the Original Trilogy characters were no more amazingly deep and complex than any of the newer characters. They were archetypes mostly. There was a lot of room left to go different directions with them, and I don't think either the EU or the sequel interpretations of them were wrong. I also think fans hold them up too high on pedestals as sacrosanct. Yes, the OT was great, but it wasn't great because it had deep characters. It was a movie that took archetypal characters of the traditional mythic journey and told a great science fiction (with fantasy elements) story with them. Han, Luke, Leia, and even Vader aren't as amazing and complex as you remember.

I'd never say this to one of those OT fans, though. I will debate them. But calling the precious characters that I really do myself love into question would probably get me thrown out of the fandom.

Re: Secrets you DO NOT want to be made

[(Anonymous)]

I agree and I get a lot of hate whenever I bring this up lol

Re: Secrets you DO NOT want to be made

[(Anonymous)]

+1000000

Re: Secrets you DO NOT want to be made

[(Anonymous)]

You're correct. And a big reason is that the OG was never intended to be more than a one-off summer fun movie, and literally no one had any idea it was going to become a major cultural entity.

Re: Secrets you DO NOT want to be made

[(Anonymous)]

That and Lucas completely intentionally made the characters archetypes. He was following Joseph Campbell's hero's journey plotline and creating a story from that. So the mythic, epic, archetypal but flat nature of the characters was completely intentional.

Re: Secrets you DO NOT want to be made

[(Anonymous)]

Yep. I love that aspect of Star Wars tho, lol.

Re: Secrets you DO NOT want to be made

[(Anonymous)]

SA

I do too. I love mythology, fantasy, and scifi, so having all three in one fandom is one of the reasons that Star Wars is one of my favorite things.

Re: Secrets you DO NOT want to be made

[meadowphoenix]

idk, I think archetypes gain depth through experience, which is what makes them feel different than other characters with the same formation. And I think treating them as if they are pre-plot in sequels, when they should have a post-plot interiority means that a writer doesn't actually understand archetypes in general, or these archetypes in particular. And the sequel trilogy did NOT give Luke or Han that post-plot interiority, though I think that mattered less, or not at all lol, for Han. (And I'm not talking about straight consistency, I mean the idea that the previous events have acted on the character in such a way as to make them intelligible in the new media). I think Leia has the straightest narrative path so that her position in the sequel trilogy makes sense. I think understanding Luke's position needs so much audience work that I'm not surprised people, including me, didn't like it (and I actually think the problem is that Luke is SO archetypal and his journey is SO conventional. I don't have a problem with deconstructing that. But I think if a character has learned and acted on the belief that ~no one is truly bad if they're family~ and he at one point decided to like disbelieve that then....I need more information lmao.)

Can't speak to the EU at all.

Mind you, this has always been a issue. Ask any classicist about whether characters you see in the Iliad are the same as those in the Odyssey or those in the Aeneid. Does Sophocles' Oedipus trilogy have a consistent portrait of Oedipus or Antigone or is their narrative purpose so different that the characters themselves are different? It's such an old question even for archetypes so I don't blame people for asking it.

Re: Secrets you DO NOT want to be made

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly I know what you mean. The way that some people talk about the original trilogy - like it's this emotional masterpiece and moral touchstone, almost like a religious text - I just feel like, have we been watching the same movies?

But even then, it makes way more sense than the people who adopt the same kind of tone talking about fucking Ghostbuster. Those are the ones where it just gets really incomprehensible.

Re: Secrets you DO NOT want to be made

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I love the OT and agree with what you are saying. ST was amazing to me too, for different reasons.