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⌈ Secret Post #695 ⌋

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it sort of glosses over the parts that would be seen as more controversial

This is the problem. So many people aren't aware of the horrors of war and I'm not just talking about WWII. Rape of Nanking, US soldiers raping in Okinawa, I really don't need to go on.

You think that moefying countries that had official policies of rape and slaughter against eachother in wartime is cute and interesting? Cut me a break.

Look, I know about all the bad things that happens during war. I realize that basically all countries, civilizations, wars have horrible things attached to them.

Part of the thing that I like about Hetalia is that it makes you do research on your own - I've learned a lot more history because of the things it has made me research.

I just...I don't think that it always has to be serious. I mean, yes, I think people should know the bad things about war, but I also think that they can be allowed to see a lighter side of it. Drowning yourself in the woe of the world is only going to make you depressed.

And really - anyone who takes Hetalia as full, honest-to-God truth is really just...naive. Obviously things aren't as cute as they might make it seem, you know?

Ugh, this is tl;dr, and I don't feel like I'm communicating my point properly. Maybe I'll try again later.

This is the problem. So many people aren't aware of the horrors of war and I'm not just talking about WWII. Rape of Nanking, US soldiers raping in Okinawa, I really don't need to go on.

I was under the impression there was more to history than soldiers raping people.

Yes, but those are the uncute parts of history that consistently get glossed over and forgotten. That's the point.

Why don't we focus on Turkey and how horrible the Turks were to neighboring countries?

Hell, let's nitpick every single historical massacre there has ever been and feel offended about it. Really, I'm game. Oh, and while we're at it, we can look at oppression and racism.

Seriously, get over it.

So many people aren't aware? Cut me a break. Anyone who's taken a decent history class, or even has a bit of common sense knows that there are always atrocities associated with war. Sorry to say but there are lots of historical parodies, but seeing as Hetalia is the first one with a fandom on ~the internets~ I don't think that justifies calling out the entire fandom as mindless idiots who think that war is fun and games just because the comic itself doesn't go into Nazism or rape. Why don't you go write an angry rant about people who like that song in The Producers before you jab at Hetalia fandom? You honestly think that all the people who read Hetalia look at it and go "Oh my, SHINY BISHONEN! Clearly this comic has brainwashed me into thinking that war is happy and fun!!"? Please.

Hetalia is a parody of history, all history, and if that doesn't float your boat then that's fine, you don't have to read it, but don't go around generalizing about the fan base as shallow twats who don't know the first thing about history or are meaning to disrespect it by finding Hetalia entertaining. I love history and that's why I love Hetalia, because I personally don't think learning about what's happened in the world always has to be strictly serious business. You're kind of missing the point if you don't understand that Hetalia is not meant to be "history of the world according to the author."

Yes, it's glossed over. But really, Hetalia doesn't claim to give you the full picture. When people make generalized jokes about France losing wars and Russia being crazy, people know not to get offended because it's meant to be humorous. I could say that all jokes about France losing everything are off-color because, hey, people died in those wars. But seriously, news is serious enough, we don't need to be politically correct all the time. Shows like Daily Show/Colbert do it all the time, and people laugh it off because it's not MEANT to be a textbook on the cruelties of nationalism and politics.

I think you are overestimating what Hetalia actually is. It's there to be entertaining and generalized and funny. And admittedly, some people do read Hetalia with little knowledge of history and might not take it with a grain of salt like they should, but that's not Hetalia's fault nor is it the whole fandom.

Suggestion: Create your own series where anthropomorphic countries are beating each other within an inch of their existence and raping anything they deem rape-able. Be sure to slap an R-18 on it before releasing though.

Newsflash: History isn't comprised of mainly war. Nations don't coexist simply by rape/pillage/razing. It's a lot more complex than that. I'm personally a military history geek and yet I enjoy Hetalia because it's a clever parody of the world and the stereotypes that perpetuate in it. If you're too sensitive to appreciate that sort of humor then that's just too bad.

Re: Official Policies of rape and slaughter
Most countries have had histories of rape/slaughter/etc etc. It's fucking war. If they didn't go out and about annexing then they'd be the ones conspicuously missing from our 21st century maps. In short: It happens. (http://www.livius.org/a/turkey/eurymedon/eurymedon.html)

... How is that the problem again? Does every series about war and history have to be totally serious business now, because anything else is absolutely horrendous and shouldn't be allowed because it's not OMG EDUCATING PEOPLE?

It's a lighthearted, cracky humor series. Duh it's going to gloss over the more unpleasant parts of pretty much everything. If you want a serious story about the horrors of war and how certain countries committed monstrous acts, how about you don't try to find it in a cutesy crack series, and don't try to tell people that it's horrible that a story like that exists because it's not DARK enough.

That's pretty much why I can't enjoy it. It's impossible for me to take the genocide and the rape out of the picture. There is no way to cutesify gloss over it.

Ah, but see there's a difference between someone not liking it, and someone who, because they don't like it, think that everyone who does like it is a twittering yaoi fangirl who doesn't know two shats about history. It's not possible for everyone to like the same thing, but c'mon, insulting everyone who does/doesn't like it just because their views don't coincide with yours is just bad taste.

Yeah, I'm just speaking about my own personal tastes.

Which, by all means, go ahead. xD Hetalia is one of those things that people can have serious disagreements about, but my god, life would be so much better if we had a decent debate over the topic instead of "oh yeah? WELL FUCK YOU TOO."

Well, people in this community are like that about EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING.
It's absolutely fascinating. This one in particular was amazing to watch. It's a webcomic...

God, it reminded me of that time I was trying to discuss gay marriage with someone who disagreed with it - who was a rational and intelligent person - on deviantArt and they were, like, jumped on by five thousand people howling at HOW CAN YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT SOMETHING SO SERIOUS GTFO HOMOPHOBIC ASSHOLE. Obviously the best way to convince someone/share your opinion/have a discussion and thus understand more about the other side is to swear and yell and throw wild accusations without fact.

I mean, yeah, gay rights is a VERY touchy subject, but... but... a webcomic? EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T LIKE IT HAS NO SENSE OF HUMOR AND EVERYONE WHO DOES LIKE IT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THE JAPANESE ARE BAD, BAD PEOPLE.

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