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[ SECRET POST #4893 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4893 ⌋

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10. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia]

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Well while you fume in your angry pants, I'm still going to be queer and existing regardless of your sad little opinion :)

That's great, we want you to exist.

We just literally don't want cocks in vagina-only spaces.

Trans rights do not trump the very real fear many women have of men, and that fear is deep rooted and goes beyond gender and straight to biological sex.

The very notion of being stuck in a supposedly safe place with somebody who looks and is biologically male, who thinks they should be there because they're genderqueer, is terrifying.

We still fear walking alone at night.

Genderqueer amabs do not understand this fear. They haven't grown up with it. They don't live it. It is unfair and insensitive to force their way into women-only spaces.

Transwomen are less of a problem. Many pass well, and they have their own fears of men. Some random, rugged guy with a face full of stubble who stands six foot three and makes absolutely no effort to look anything other than like a man at a glance? Does not belong in female spaces. He is terrifying. He is forcing himself somewhere he has no right to be. His supposed genderqueer-ness is not more important than a woman's right to feel safe.

da -right, because trans and gnc people totally don't have any fear of being murdered in dark alleyways
definitely not

what fucking planet are you from, again? because it sure as shit isn't this one.

da -right, because trans and gnc people totally don't have any fear of being murdered in dark alleyways
definitely not

And those males would probably be better served in shelters and group sessions with similarly traumatized AMAB people. It doesn't help anyone by telling women to 'get over your aversion to dicks and male bodies, your trauma comes in second behind non female peoples' trauma'.

I'd say "Oof," but the pile of straw I landed on was so deep it fully cushioned my fall into your comment.

Literally nobody says to cis women "your trauma comes second" or treats it that way. Not a single one.

Wank aside, because clearly you're just trying to poke fun at cis women on the internet, treating it as some kind of petty argument; But I guess there's already enough people around explaining about fundings and how it works in general.

Bottom line, the thing is if a biologically male person decides to abide by their damned rules or at least pretend their way through them in public, they still get a pass as a "bro". While for us cis women - unless we change our gender or at the very least our gender presentation - we will NEVER. And if we do and are found out... depending on where in the world we are, we may get sexually assaulted for trying. We are doomed to suffer for it.

So, yes. Neither point is invalid. Yes, everyone deserves to be happy and safe from any violence; Yes, some people's problems and threats are bigger than yours.

Ayrt - I'm a woman. I was sexually assaulted by a man. And I would still rather share a hotel room with five random drag queens than one single TERF. At least the drag queens aren't likely to look at my hairy legs, decide I'm secretly a dude, and try and incite violence against me.

+1 million. I have never been assaulted or bullied by a trans or genderqueer person. I've been assaulted by both men (for being a woman) and women (for being a lesbian).

nayrt

I don't think you've met many radical feminists then. Lots of us are similarly unshaven.

The fact that we don't adhere to gender stereotypes does not make us men. That's sort of the whole point of gender criticism. Gender is bullshit.

Gender is bullshit and yet you insist on policing it for others. Amazing.

Amen - I use to get so much shit from people like this before trans issues were more widely discussed like they are now (and it was for not looking gay enough to be a lesbian).

Yes.

It's not a women's problem that you are a man who is afraid of other men. We started shelters to protect each other from men. Before that we sheltered women in each other's homes.

I would 100% support trans people to create services for their communities, but the need for women and families to have access to places free from male violence has not diminished.

I volunteer with women's domestic violence services and we are already every day of the year stretched beyond our limits and having to refer people to other services. We do not have the funding or extra locations just waiting there to help trans people. We do not have the resources. We do not have the time. Frankly we do not have any sympathy left to give. We're all burned out and we are in the middle of an increase in demand for services. Male violence never ends. There's just more and more and more.

And this is what we receive hate mail for. This is what our founder receives death threats over. This entitlement that because we have clawed our way into existence we must now forget our work and go back to help this other lot get priority for resources that we desperately need and cannot afford to forfeit to their cause.

Transgender people account for less than one percent of all people in my country and they are angry that we get more funding to support women. They do not understand the sheer numbers that we face. Everyone must put them first. Everyone must support them. Everyone must listen. But our numbers are only increasing. Our funding is decreasing. No one is listening to us.

It is a bad time right now. I am often the one who has to tell people we don't have room for them, and yes, we know they are in immediate danger, but we can't help. Maybe the state department will find them emergency housing. Probably not.

A lot of keyboard warriors get to make judgements about what organisations like mine should be doing, but honestly, they're probably not lifting more than their fingers to type the word TERF over and over again. That is not activism. That is not helping anybody. Donate. Get involved. Start something. Yelling at me and my crew will not change anything. In fact, the only thing it accomplishes in some areas is giving the government an excuse to cease financial assistance to programs like ours.

Congrats. Great job.

K I'm done. I hate people. Enough internet for today.

Your story has moved me. You're a brave person and thank you so much for what you're doing to help women.

There's an echo chamber going on here.

People doing nothing always know the best.

If you hate an oppressed group for being angry, you're on the wrong side of history.

The reason you think they're angry is incorrect, however, and fed to you through a full-on TERF/transphobic news columnist lens.

I would 100% support trans people to create services for their communities, ....

Given how many states are moving to incrementally criminalize our services this year, I'm deeply skeptical.

right?? almost like "separate but equal" has been proven to be an ineffective and counterproductive strategy for the entire history of its employment.

HMMMM

oh hey, I'm somebody who worked at a resource facility that helped homeless trans women try to find shelter and food. I'm the person the trans girls would come talk to when they'd been turned away because some self-righteous TERF assholes like you decided she didn't have the right to be there because her presence would make "real women" uncomfortable.

i'm the person who had to explain to trans women that although yes, that shelter was for women who are victims of domestic violence and they were indeed trans women fleeing domestic violence, they could not safely go to that shelter because the staff would not accept or support them, putting them at further risk of violence and death.

imagine a world where trans women don't exist to threaten you and maybe you'll hate people just a fraction less. I have absolutely zero sympathy for you. fuck your organization and all the others that think it's okay to discriminate.

So back when I did identify as a lesbian in the early 2000s, I use to get this shitty kind of attitude from other lesbians in my local community, mostly because 'I didn't look like a lesbian enough' so therefore I didn't understand since I could pass as straight because I look too straight to be gay.

Sounds wild now but that's what I dealt with as a teenager for a solid 4 years. Then one day things get so bad with one individual who use to shit on me with every opportunity that she had when she wasn't being vile to bi girls or the very few trans people that would come and go (honestly she sounds like she could be you, justifying being horrible with a mask of doing it for the right reasons); right in the middle of her questioning me actually being a lesbian that I just snap and say 'fine you win. I'm not a lesbian I'm queer' - and this of course gets right up her ass because one of her many rants was that too many women were abandoning the label lesbian and it was going to die out because of labels like 'queer' (and from what I see in 20 years on that still hasn't happened lol).

But from that point I started avoiding her and just stopped going to the so-called lgbt drop-in and found other places that were thankfully more supportive and diverse.

Many years later, how women identify becomes less of a problem to a point where the issue is pretty much forgotten - especially when trans issues come up more in the 2010s. Suddenly the same attitude on 'who gets to be in the community' that was thrown at me is turned onto the trans community, especially at people who were much younger than me when I was trying to figure myself out. I refuse to be part of the mentality that made me feel so worthless when I was younger, which cut deeper when it came from people who were suppose to be on my side.

I know writing this is a waste if time, especially for someone who is too pig headed to learn anything beyond their own hate. Yes there are men in the world who are harmful and need to be stood up against their attacks (there are also women too who are vicious in the same way - but that just pokes little holes in your argument) But in the same vein there are trans people who are killed for being themselves, by strangers and love ones, and they need support the same way as their queer, gay, bi, asexual and lesbian sibs. You can be vile and stay in your cramped box, I'm going to be a part of a community that wants to change attitudes and support each other for men, women, trans and non binary. it won't be perfect and it will have flaws, but its better than your useless bullying words.
I hope one day you'll grow up.

...implying that trans women aren't ALSO WOMEN who are AFRAID OF MEN

out of curiosity have you ever talked to a trans woman? have you ever walked down the street with a trans woman? i'm friends with several and they get harassed and heckled in public even in--actually, sometimes ESPECIALLY in--"gay spaces" by MEN.

this whole comment you've done nothing but absolutely show your ass. be honest, you are not afraid of men invading your spaces--YOU ARE AFRAID OF TRANS WOMEN.

you are TRANSPHOBIC just like J.K. "Just Kidding About the Transphobia" Rowling. BYE.

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bullshit!