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⌈ Secret Post #4901 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Venting/Advice Thread

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think you can call yourself trans-inclusive if you're excluding trans men and non-binary people.

That said, I'm not really going to argue with the ideology of a person who's not actually involved in this conversation. What I am going to say is that you can do amazing things and be an amazing person in many ways, and still have beliefs that are incorrect and wrong in other ways and do things that are hurtful in other ways. And you can be annoyed about that if it's hurtful to you without that erasing the other good things about her, and it still doesn't mean that she's right or that you're "doing it to yourself" or causing it or anything else. Absolutely not.

I'm sorry, I know it's hard, anon, just wanted to say that I'm rooting for you.

Re: Venting/Advice Thread

[(Anonymous)]

They are... probably not excluding those people if they are indeed female. It's just that male people do not benefit directly from initiatives that provide things like free menstrual products and female-only support spaces.

There are plenty of ways to support all people, but I wouldn't call those things feminist. Feminism is by definition, about women.

Re: Venting/Advice Thread

[(Anonymous)]

Trans men aren't female and many have spoken out about how they would rather be called male trash by radfems than treated as if they're female and "welcomed" in "female" spaces.

Re: Venting/Advice Thread

[(Anonymous)]

Then... they don't have to come to female spaces or take free menstrual products? Lmao.

Some people are really looking for something to feel oppressed by.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

There are plenty of ways to support all people, but I wouldn't call those things feminist. Feminism is by definition, about women.

Extremely well put. I couldn't agree more.

Re: Venting/Advice Thread

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

It seems like, at the very least, this person is not affirming OP's NB identity. At least that's the impression that I get and where I'm coming from. And if that's the person's attitude, I don't think that attitude is trans-inclusive.

As for the rest, I have no comment.

Re: Venting/Advice Thread

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, to be clear about this point, she 100% rejects trans men in the same way that she rejects cis men and does not see them as women.

Re: Venting/Advice Thread

[(Anonymous)]

When you say trans men do you mean MTF or FTM people?

Re: Venting/Advice Thread

[(Anonymous)]

FTM.

Re: Venting/Advice Thread

[(Anonymous)]

So by "trans inclusive" does she mean that MTFs should be part of female spaces and males can be lesbians?

That's not rad fem, if so. That's lib fem.

Re: Venting/Advice Thread

[(Anonymous)]

MTFs should be part of female spaces

Yes, this is how she feels.

males can be lesbians?

Not this, though? I don't know where you got this. Trans women are women, not males.

Re: Venting/Advice Thread

[(Anonymous)]

That was my point. Radical Feminism does not support the idea that one can change sex. Gender is a social construct. Men can't become women and can't be lesbians.

Re: Venting/Advice Thread

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, okay? This is kind of a weird tangent to go off on, honestly. I don't much care if she's being factual in calling herself a radfem, and it really doesn't have anything to do with the issue I was having in the first place.

Re: Venting/Advice Thread

[(Anonymous)]

DA

"Radical feminism" doesn't have one like, single list of beliefs that one must agree with to be a radical feminist. It encompasses many authors and ideas. Radical feminists have been disagreeing about transgender people since at least the 70s.