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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-06-13 02:23 pm

[ SECRET POST #4908 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4908 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2020-06-13 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I wish someone would do a breakdown of exactly why each of her tweets is transphobic. Not a general article decrying her tweets as transphobic (which I have read a dozen of) but an actual breakdown of “this is her exact tweet, and this is why it’s transphobic.”

Her first tweet, I get. She’s conflating “people who menstruate” with women, which excludes transmen who menstruate but are not women, and trans women who don’t menstruate but are women.

But I don’t see what’s transphobic about her next several tweets. Do trans activists genuinely consider it transphobic to assert that biological sex is real, and that biological sex has an effect on the life experience of men, women, and intersex people? Or is that not the thing JKR said that people are objecting to?

(Anonymous) 2020-06-13 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't read all of the tweets but I read her manifesto, and I think the specific things that people would find most objectionable are the emphasis she places on the significance of being a "natal woman" and the sense that she means "more real woman", and the fact that most of her arguments outside of that are extremely common anti-trans arguments which trans activitists generally consider to be pretty shoddy and which are promulgated by people who are deeply transphobic and used to justify anti-trans policies. I believe that I've also seen some people criticize her for conflating being trans with mental illness, particularly around autism, but I'm not sure where that came from exactly myself.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-13 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
On her blog post, she brought up that autism is much more common in trans people than the general population, particularly with young trans guys. This is actually true, but why this is hotly debated. I’ve heard everything from autism makes people care care less about social norms to environmental pollution.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
I mean, she also applauded a woman who called all trans women "men who get sexual kicks from being treated like women." Called her brave, even.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 03:38 am (UTC)(link)
I believe that I've also seen some people criticize her for conflating being trans with mental illness, particularly around autism, but I'm not sure where that came from exactly myself.

I hate when autism and mental health come up in these conversations, but the hundreds of comments saying that JKR's comments are literally causing people to attempt suicide is not healthy at all.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-13 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Hopefully this'll suit your needs, comment OP:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1270787941275762689.html

(Anonymous) 2020-06-13 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Here's a good article on some of the problems with her most recent essay:

https://slate.com/human-interest/2020/06/jk-rowling-trans-men-terf.html

(Anonymous) 2020-06-13 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
She tweeted "biological sex is real".

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
That ... is the least transphobic part of her otherwise transphobic arguments considering biological sex is, in fact, real.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
It's missing context that she tweeted it in support of someone purposely misgendering someone, who then not getting her contract renewed and blaming it on this incident when multiple people at said job were uncomfortable, and said woman had gone out of her way to harass said trans person.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
Y'all are still on about that male who presents in a stereotypical masculine way but wears a pink wig sometime so that makes him non-binary? "Ooh, I'll take every advantage of being male and the privilege that comes with it, but I feel so harassed if someone calls my bearded ass 'he.'"

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
Okay TERF

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 02:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Ayrt
Ah, yeah, that's quite different then. I don't really follow the discourse so I wasn't clear on the context and as an isolated statement, "bio sex is real" isn't inherently transphobic.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
I got the sense that AYRT was someone who thinks that JKR's views are correct and that people who disagree with JKR and support trans rights are denying that biological sex is real.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
Which of course no one is denying, just that it's completely irrelevant to normal human discussion.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 02:51 am (UTC)(link)
I wish someone would do a breakdown of exactly why each of her tweets is transphobic. Not a general article decrying her tweets as transphobic (which I have read a dozen of) but an actual breakdown of “this is her exact tweet, and this is why it’s transphobic.”

They can't because the only reason the Tweets are "transphobic" is reading that the majority of people are either male or female and that females are the only people who menstruate hurts people's feelings.

Yes, females who don't have periods are still female. That's the weirdest gotcha talking point that has come from this mess. "JKR said post-menopausal women and women with PCOS aren't women." No, she didn't, and you know it.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
https://twitter.com/Carter_AndrewJ/status/1270787941275762689

Here's your breakdown, TERF