[ SECRET POST #4908 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4908 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[fscom]

04. https://i.imgur.com/z4SqNhM.png

[(Anonymous)]

She's definitely transphobic and I really hate that she is.

But I also feel really creeped out when otherwise level-headed mature fandom blogs that are always talking about "cancel culture is bad" and "black-and-white thinking is a dangerous fallacy" turn around and go "too bad JKR is the devil now". And I feel weird unilaterally saying that someone who has given more to charity causes I value than I could make in a thousand years is "a bad person", full stop.

I think she's an asshole for not listening to the people she's hurt and using her platform to lash out. I think she's in a rich-and-successful bubble where editors don't tell her no any more, but that she's also spent almost 20 years during the rise of the internet under the ridiculous pressure of global attention, and now she's being Virally Shamed, and I just...I feel like that would make anyone go defensive and weird. I think there's definitely fucked up racist stuff in her books, and I also think she was trying during the 90s, and then (under the pressure of relentless neo-woke tumblr scrutiny) made some very bad calls alternately trying to seem better than she was, and refusing to try.

Overall, I just...I think she's a person who made something important, who has done some very good things and who has some very fucked up beliefs, and who ought to stop using her platform to say bigoted things. But I also wish we could collectively decide to stop obsessing over the stupid shit she says, because that's why she has a platform. Neverlandpark on tumblr has a great post about the "cold and dystopian idolship" of celebrity culture that really struck a chord with me.

[(Anonymous)]

I've always thought she had questionable views on gender. She has very strict gender views that comes across in the Potter books very clearly to me. Women are this, men are that. In her mind, they are equal but clearly different. Which is another form of sexism, not just transphobic.

[(Anonymous)]

Bezos gives to charity. He's a horrible person who commits human rights violations. Does your goodwill extend to him? No? Same thing.

She literally defended (an applauded) someone who called trans women "sexually deviant men in dresses."

[(Anonymous)]

She is a billionaire who created one of the most popular book series in Earth and is still actively making blockbuster movies and is actively in the public eye constantly. That's why she has a platform. I don't think "ignore her and she'll go away" is going to work or take those things away. I don't think it's obsessing over her to reject what she says and I don't know how exactly you want people to react or why it's wrong to condemn her for spreading views that you disagree with and think are harmful.

[(Anonymous)]

+100000000

[(Anonymous)]

I am super disappointed in her, partly because she is/was a good egg in a lot of ways I value, and partly because I hate that the jerks who have been horrible about her for a decade, for no good reason, can now be all smug about being "right." (Although I am pretty sure the worst JKR hater I know is at least as transphobic, which is almost funny yet shitty.)

[(Anonymous)]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8412215/I-slapped-did-not-abuse-JK-Rowlings-ex-husband-responds-bombshell-claims.html

[(Anonymous)]

Forgive my squirrely ignorance, but I'm not sure how the Daily Mail and the Sun doing a scummy thing by giving Rowling's domestic abuser a platform is supposed to negate or debunk Rowling saying scummy things/holding and expressing an outdated and hurtful perspective. Both of these things can be wrong simultaneously.

[(Anonymous)]

I wish someone would do a breakdown of exactly why each of her tweets is transphobic. Not a general article decrying her tweets as transphobic (which I have read a dozen of) but an actual breakdown of “this is her exact tweet, and this is why it’s transphobic.”

Her first tweet, I get. She’s conflating “people who menstruate” with women, which excludes transmen who menstruate but are not women, and trans women who don’t menstruate but are women.

But I don’t see what’s transphobic about her next several tweets. Do trans activists genuinely consider it transphobic to assert that biological sex is real, and that biological sex has an effect on the life experience of men, women, and intersex people? Or is that not the thing JKR said that people are objecting to?

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't read all of the tweets but I read her manifesto, and I think the specific things that people would find most objectionable are the emphasis she places on the significance of being a "natal woman" and the sense that she means "more real woman", and the fact that most of her arguments outside of that are extremely common anti-trans arguments which trans activitists generally consider to be pretty shoddy and which are promulgated by people who are deeply transphobic and used to justify anti-trans policies. I believe that I've also seen some people criticize her for conflating being trans with mental illness, particularly around autism, but I'm not sure where that came from exactly myself.

[(Anonymous)]

Hopefully this'll suit your needs, comment OP:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1270787941275762689.html

[(Anonymous)]

Here's a good article on some of the problems with her most recent essay:

https://slate.com/human-interest/2020/06/jk-rowling-trans-men-terf.html

[(Anonymous)]

She tweeted "biological sex is real".

[(Anonymous)]

I wish someone would do a breakdown of exactly why each of her tweets is transphobic. Not a general article decrying her tweets as transphobic (which I have read a dozen of) but an actual breakdown of “this is her exact tweet, and this is why it’s transphobic.”

They can't because the only reason the Tweets are "transphobic" is reading that the majority of people are either male or female and that females are the only people who menstruate hurts people's feelings.

Yes, females who don't have periods are still female. That's the weirdest gotcha talking point that has come from this mess. "JKR said post-menopausal women and women with PCOS aren't women." No, she didn't, and you know it.

[(Anonymous)]

she's been a lost cause well before this. It's probably going to get worse with every fantastic beast movie released tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

Those movies were boring money losers, JKR saying things that really aren't that controversial is just an excuse to cancel the series. Weird how someone questioning trans ideology may get those horrible movies cancelled and not the drunken male messes in the cast.

[(Anonymous)]

Careful OP, you're posting this in a place infested with boomers and transphobes.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. I don't disagree with OP, but secrets like this are basically just TERF bait.

[(Anonymous)]

I very much doubt that there are a whole lot of 65+ years old people here.

[(Anonymous)]

It's easier to think it's all boomers who think some of the trans party lines are ridiculous (if you say you're a woman, you're a woman; being a woman is liking twirly skirts and consuming lesbian media; some lesbians like dick), huh?

[(Anonymous)]

My news alerts have been giving me 50 articles a day (actually the same 3 syndicated a dozen times) for well over a week about what Rowling tweeted, and a bare handful about Trump, McDade, or Fells. So I'm more than a bit annoyed at how having an opinion about Rowling having an opinion has been soooOoooOoo much more important to news services than health care or homicides.

[(Anonymous)]

I was so happy that we'd gone a week without anyone mentioning her and her bigotry

so happy

[meadowphoenix]

as someone who happens to be fairly gender critical, I find her radicalization (not terf radical, i mean lmao this woman is barely understands the nuances of female liberation, let alone the reasonable and unreasonable parts of radical feminism, she does pop feminism at best) into transphobia to be fairly obvious. like that article that tripped her little manifesto off was just...not an issue? I can understand some trepidation for reducing the cultural manifestation of growing up female to female biology, but not in an article about female biology and you know HELPING US ALL OUT DURING A PANDEMIC. if you care about female people, this is a great article! "People who menstruate" is a great way to key into who needs information which is, people who menstruate. They really should have specified trans men as they did enbies.

So I have to agree with you anon. The whole thing read like she wanted to stir up shit just so she could justify her screed. I notice this a lot with people who just don't like trans people existing, that they say they are gender critical (but ~love~ their trans friends who totes agree with them) but think very little about what would critique, and ultimately destroy, gender. But they are happy to repeat certain talking points about trans people as gotchas without engaging with the arguments they advocate at all. I'm have some questions about "cis" as a term, and I'm weirded out by the thankfully few responses to her that talk about "female brains" but even if you are gender critical, if you are truly advocating for trans people's rights, then you have to know what she's doing.

[(Anonymous)]

she said nothing wrong