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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-06-13 02:23 pm

[ SECRET POST #4908 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4908 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2020-06-13 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know about you, but I don't go around checking.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-13 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
You can still tell sometimes

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
Oh FFS, no you can't. And even if you could, suspicion isn't justification for checking.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
I'm a cis woman with a hormonal disorder that gives me facial hair.
TRUST ME - y'all aren't as good at "telling" as you think you are.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
I am a cis woman and have been misgendered often enough that I started to hate my body for not being feminine enough. Which is why transphobes piss me off so much. Being misgendered sucks. People who do it deliberately are assholes.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
Do you really believe every woman who is skeptical about some of this gender stuff are gender conforming?

If I'm going to be angry, it's at a society that expects women to conform to the majority's vision of femininity. But it's easier to blame TERVES instead of society or the men who make both women and trans people's lives hell. Unsurprising.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
And yet here you are enforcing your own vision of femininity. Do you hear yourself?

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
Stating the reality that most people are male or female and my having a beard and PCOS doesn't make me less female - that's enforcing a vision of femininity? You guys want everyone who thinks some of the gender and trans bunk is silly to conform to your vision of femininity so bad.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
Anon who once hated myself for not being feminine enough, here. I have no vision of femininity. I very definitely do not have one that us universally applicable. What people say they are, so far as gender and sexuality goes, is what they are until they change their minds or tell me otherwise.

Are you, idk, projecting? Because it seems like you’re the one with a vision of femininity that excludes some people you don’t think, I guess, deserve it? Or something?

And the people who mocked my body hair and body shape and poor understanding and performance of femininity were doing the exact same shit you keep insisting is somehow acceptable to do to trans women. Why the fuck would I agree to hurt anyone else like that, especially when doing so benefits me not at all?

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT—I literally do not care if people are gender conforming or not. Gender (and sexuality) policing sucks. People who do it suck. People who are “skeptical” of trans people and (in your case) trans women’s self identifying suck. Okay?

Trans women aren’t fucking hurting you. Trans women aren’t men. Men as a group often suck and I don’t normally “not all men” but I’m gonna go ahead and say that transphobes suck more than a lot of individual men. Most men are mostly fucking steeped in patriarchy and privilege and most TERFS probably aren’t and still fucking suck at not conflating trans women with men, so they manage to be just as bad as some asshole men who got all their sex ed from porn and think women were created from Adam’s rib to be his subordinate.

Misgendering does not suddenly become less shitty when it’s done to a trans woman than a cis woman. I am not trans, so I can’t speak for them, but I am speaking for myself when I say if you misgender someone by invalidating what they themselves identify as, no matter what they (or their genitalia) look like, you are an asshole. Full stop.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 06:47 am (UTC)(link)
+1

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I don’t normally “not all men” but I’m gonna go ahead and say that transphobes suck more than a lot of individual men.

Of course.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 02:15 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT—it’s not because they are amazing and wonderful. They mostly still suck. It’s because they frequently don’t understand their own privilege or the existence of the patriarchy or anything about how they benefit specifically from being men.

TERFS definitely know men benefit from being men, but persist in identifying a subset of women as men because oh no icky penises. You guys gonna do the same thing when trans men’s dicks are indistinguishable from cis men’s?

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
I have a cis female wife.

She looks very dude-like and wouldn't pass your check because of PCOS.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 03:11 am (UTC)(link)
There are women with PCOS with beards and everything that have the same questions about gender that so-called TERFs do. Bringing up females with PCOS to prove absolutely nothing is tedious.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
"We can tell you're trans"

No you can't? My wife literally looks like a man. Broad shoulders, flat chest, no curves. But I can guarantee you she has a vagina, and she was born with it.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
It's not just PCOS. TERFs have written about feeling unsafe in women's only hostels because one of the cubbies had shoes that were "too big" to belong to a woman. Never mind that I know cis women who actually have to buy men's shoes because women's shoes don't get made in their size.

TERFs write checklists about all the body parts you should check on your female partner before dating them. Measure her pelvis! If it's wider than X centimeters, run for the hills! She's a "man"!

(Anonymous) 2020-06-14 04:21 am (UTC)(link)
And I'm sure you know all of them, Stubble Sally is your best friend's cousin's teacher's wife, etc, etc, etc, so you're qualified to speak for them.