[ SECRET POST #4912 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4912 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

i always find that argument ironic because i've seen so many m/m ships where one of them men is turned into 'the girl' anyway, so they don't even escape that misogyny, they just slap it onto a dude instead.

[(Anonymous)]

Bless u

[(Anonymous)]

Yep.

[(Anonymous)]

God, so true.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol Yup.

[(Anonymous)]

Giving a male character stereotypical sexist traits given to women is not turning him into the girl. The whole appeal is that for once it's a guy and NOT a girl who has those traits.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, Jan.

[(Anonymous)]

I literally don't get why this is hard for you? Don't you guys go on and on about character traits you're sick of in male characters but when it's a female character, it's refreshing and new? Isn't that why so many people love Ripley? It's the same idea but switch the genders and stereotypes.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but the stereotypically male characteristics given to female characters are usually “kick ass, take names,” competent, calm under pressure, stuff like that. The supposedly female traits given to men are all too often stuff like weak, submissive, indecisive, naive, bratty... Basically the only positive female traits I’ve seen given to men are nuturung and empathetic and those are frequently just additions to mpreg.

Women are often given men’s positive traits. Men are given a caricature woman’s worst traits.

[(Anonymous)]

More like they're (those girly-looking ukes lmao) made out to be wimpy and cry over their love for the guy (tm) so they're given the traits of... precisely that thing we hate and consciously avoid: badly-written female characters.
As I'm a BL fan myself. But I just can't seem to stand mainstream works for many reasons, and this is one of those reasons.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, it's complicated. But you're not wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

Except they don't. That's an old and tired claim that's been passed down from days gone by in fandom back when it was *somewhat* true, and is now just parroted by people who dislike the idea of m/m and thus have never read enough of it to see for themselves that hardly anyone has written it that way in ages.

[(Anonymous)]

It certainly feels less of a mockery since the late 2000s, but Shungiku Nakamura is still a strong name and even more recent works/authors end up playing the "sensitive uke, strong/violent" seme trope. In fact, the "violent" seme has been particularly worrying, to me, in the 2010s - I dare say it's the trend of the decade. Just look at Saezuru (sometimes averts it, but sometimes... not.) or "subtler" ones like Ten Count (haha that's subtle like a giant rock thrown on your back) or even those that are just a paedophilia-induced power imbalance (*cough* Doukyuusei itself has some of it *cough*) ... I'm not making this up. Worse, the trend of the 2020s so far seem to be "interracial" couples (not even going into how it's now mocking races as if genders wasn't enough, it's worse when you somehow get to stablish a correlation between these kinds of prejudices in a supposedly inocuous way).

But then there's Ai no Kusabi - based on a 1986 June novel which literally pictures the twisted affair between an elite blonde man and a poor tanned so-called mongrel and isn't shy of poking fun at their degenerate society while not depicting either as a "girl".

So yeah, it's really a mixed bag of... everything. Just don't try telling me it's an "old claim" because because authors have gotten "conscientious" and not because they want to enjoy fantasies without probing outsiders.