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[(Anonymous)]

Please stop saying US-ian. It makes it impossible to take you seriously.

[(Anonymous)]

People flipping out over "USian" is so weird and overly defensive to me. It's not any more artificial or made up than any other demonym. I don't use it myself but it's incomprehensible to me that people seriously object to it.

[philstar22]

Yes, but generally people use the country names that the country calls themselves. Specifically choosing not to in this case when most of the world has agreed to call people in the US Americans, even most people who are on the left, is a weird hill to stand on.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, but generally people use the country names that the country calls themselves.

This is straightforwardly untrue!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_exonyms

[philstar22]

Okay, yes. You are right. Most of those seem language differences to me? How many of them are deliberate choices to tell people of that country they aren't who they say they are and made the wrong choice about their own name the way USian is.

USian in particular is a deliberate choice to say that "American" is the wrong way to refer to people from the US. I still don't think that happens that often except for things like telling people from Tibet that they are Chinese, or the government of Myanmar refusing to use the name Rohingya to refer to those people.

[(Anonymous)]

There are definitely some country names that are just different - off the top of my head, we call Nihon Japan and we call Deutschland Germany.

And I think the case for why some people don't want to call people from the US "Americans" is pretty easy to comprehend. Like, I get where they're coming from. OK. And people respond like it's a slur. It's disproportionate.

[(Anonymous)]

I've used USian for a while because I was told by middle American people to stop using American when referring to people from the US because the continent is America and they, as fellow continental Americans, didn't want to be associated with US Americans.

[philstar22]

It isn't a slur. At all. That's an overreaction and a ridiculous response. But I do think it is rude, I do think that any points in its favor are outweighed by that rudeness, it is needlessly antagonistic, and I also think that most of the time people using it have actual good things to say that are missed because they use that term.

[meadowphoenix]

in general I refuse to let someone who's motivations I can't determine tell me what to say, but also I should get to call the US whatever I fucking want I live here.

[philstar22]

Okay. Not telling you what to say. I just personally find it a bit rude to use it and I don't think it serves any useful purpose that would offset that rudeness. I don't think it is discriminatory, and anyone who says it is doesn't understand what discrimination is given that the US happens to be one of if not the most powerful countries in the world and really can't be discriminated against. I just think it is rude and pointless and pointlessly antagonistic.

And the other thing is that I usually agree with everything else people who use it say, and I think that by using it they antagonize and miss out on the chance to get the rest of their message heard. Of course there is a place for just anger, but people using USian aren't just using it to rant about the US, they want it to be used as a substitute for American and are using it in general conversations. And therefore their other, generally good, points often get lost.

[meadowphoenix]

This perspective....

It's like you understand that the US has privilege and power, but divorce that power and privilege from our language regarding ourselves and have not stopped to consider or have actually rejected that the use has a nationalistic purpose in of itself. I for one think it's very important for me to refrain from that synecdoche the US uses because it services the centering of this country in the power structure of the colonialized west and the Americas in general as normalized rather than merely realistic if only for myself. You don't have to think that's a useful purpose, but hopefully you can understand why "that's rude and lack purpose" is wild when I'm talking about my country's sovereignty and its aims and its history and have not advocated that use for anyone else? Did you ask me my purpose or decide that I couldn't possibly have had one you would validate as legit? Don't you see that's dismissive in of itself in your judgment of politeness? Rude to who? The government? Do they deserve my respect? Come on.

This also the specifically leftist in me but imo you should question why you want to center politeness when talking about the imperialistic impulses of a country you completely recognize to have dominate power. Do you object when people in the US call the cops pigs? If not why, when that is you know, actually an insult?

For the record, I wasn't saying you were telling me what to say. the anon who replied to me definitely was tho and you were saying that was a weird hill so i clarified what hill was actually being stood on.

[philstar22]

Okay, cool. I'm generally in the camp of call people what they want to be called, at least what that is in your language, except in certain contexts (anger reactions mostly, I think people's anger against oppression shouldn't be censored or "tone policed"). But I actually think I understand what your saying and I'm not going to tell you you can't use it. You are making a point in using it, and that is good. And maybe I'm just too comfortable with American, I don't know. You do you.

[meadowphoenix]

Thanks for this response, and I'll just said that I was deliberately using it for what I'll call sovereign attitudes rather citizen attitudes

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I just wanted to say that I get your point and also find it a little aggravating when people interpret eastern works with a western slant. But I suppose that process happens once something gets translated.

[meadowphoenix]

bb, if you don't want to take me seriously, I absolve you of having to, lol.

[(Anonymous)]

It's a mockery of a word we already have, "Asian." The damage is usually being done by white people lacking self awareness too.

[(Anonymous)]

What on earth? USian is not at all related to Asian, as far as I am aware that is completely and totally wrong