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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-06-22 05:07 pm

[ SECRET POST #4917 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4917 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2020-06-22 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
It also makes the assumption that most people don't, which rings unrealistic because of how the situation is presented.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-22 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Go ahead, pick up that child. And now the person who showed them to you is fighting. You fight them off--but there are people outside. An entire city convinced that their lifestyle depends on stopping you.

But say you succeed. You can't keep living in that city now, can you. The child would get recognized, and so would you.

You'd have to leave the city. Leave your loved ones behind.

You probably don't know how to forage food or find drinking water. And you have to look after a child who is probably sick and starving, all by yourself.

Would you do it?

How many people you know would?

(Anonymous) 2020-06-22 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
So to paraphrase,

"You could end slave labor forever, but its within your reach to do so as an individual, though you might die to do it. People will also be very very pissed about it.

Would you do it? How many people do you know would?"

Yeah, I would.

And I know a lot who would too.

It's a different situation when we as individuals cannot take direct action in the manner presented in the story.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-22 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
It's a different situation when we as individuals cannot take direct action in the manner presented in the story.

But you can. Every second of every day there are things you can do to help others. Why don't you? Is it because the impact wouldn't be big enough?

Maybe the people from Omelas think the sane thing. Maybe they think the child would just be replaced by another one, so why bother?

It's not like changing things for good is "within their reach", as you say!

(Anonymous) 2020-06-22 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
da - there are whole organisations, large and well-funded organisations full of trained professionals working very hard, dedicated to freeing children from slavery. Every day they remove a child from Omelas.
If you think that's not enough, because there's a million more, because they haven't fixed the problem for everyone forever, then that's on you. But if one person deals with the problem that is directly in front of them, right there, right then, then that's one more person who's not complicit. And no, walking away from the glory of Omelas doesn't count.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-23 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
What words exactly do I have to use to explain to you that leaving Omelas is a metaphor and the story is not saying that you should wash your hands, because I'm honestly at the end of my rope here.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-23 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
To me, leaving Omelas reads as a metaphor for turning your back on a bad thing rather than being part of the bad thing. Rather than benefiting from it. Which is good! It's a good thing to do! But a *better* thing to do is to try and stop the bad thing.
And if the only response to "Why not stop the bad thing" is "But that's hard and what if they keep doing it anyway", the problem here is not my understanding of metaphor but your life philosophy.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-23 04:26 am (UTC)(link)
Ayrt for all their pretentious "but why arent they rescuing the child, I would've just rescued the child, so unrealistic!" reminds me a lot of all those people going "but why didn't anyone stop/kill Hitler? I totally would have if I had been alive during that time!" (To which the answer usually is "No you probably wouldn't").