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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-07-01 06:46 pm

[ SECRET POST #4926 ]


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(Anonymous) 2020-07-01 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I think RTD did different but similar things, mostly with Rose. For RTD the Doctor was not so much the most brilliant untouchable fucked-up genius in the universe, but rather the Doctor was the emotional center of the universe and the Doctor's and Rose's relationship was the greatest love story of all time (or something like that). I think this approach has a lot of the same pitfalls as Moffat's approach did but it's not exactly the same thing.

Also, Moffat made the problem worse because the emotional beats in Sherlock and a lot of his Who seasons were so similar. And RTD did have Donna, who was the best companion not least because she undercut a lot of those tendencies.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-01 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
We didn't get Donna until the end of RTD's era, though. First we had Rose and Martha who worshiped the ground the Doctor walked on exactly like most of Moffatt's companions. And at the end of Moffatt's run we got Bill who also questioned the Doctor more. So, again, to me they are pretty similar.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-01 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree that there are similarities! I think that Moffat did it more than RTD and I think that RDT already did it more than Doctor Who.

But again, my main point here is not so much to argue over whose version of Who is better. The presence or absence of these tropes isn't even the same as quality in the first place. What I do think is that, indisputably, peoples' reactions to and feelings about Moffat!Who were relevant to the way people approached Sherlock, in a way that peoples' reactions to RTD!Who weren't. Sherlock is much more similar tonally to Moffat!Who than RTD!Who for reasons that should be obvious. A lot of the objections that people raised to Sherlock were also raised about his run on Who. People who got frustrated at and disliked one often also came to dislike the other for similar reasons.

(My other main point was that SHERLOCKED was dumb as hell)