[ SECRET POST #4928 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4928 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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04. https://i.imgur.com/D25cLFc.png
[Emma 2020, OP warned for male nudity (from the back)]


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[Star Wars Expanded Universe, resized]


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[365 Days, OP warned for image of a dub/non-con sexual situation]


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07. [SPOILERS for Far Cry 5 and Far Cry New Dawn]



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08. [SPOILERS for The Magnus Archives]



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09. [WARNING for sexual assault]



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10. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia]






















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Comments

[tabaqui]

Well, transwomen who are taking female hormones/estrogen experience a decrease in muscle mass, among other things, so frankly saying that all transwomen would have an advantage in sports *because* they are trans is nonsense.

And it actually is that clear cut - she's a girl now. He's a boy now.

[(Anonymous)]

Decrease in muscle mass, and some other things, yes. My point is, if any professional male athlete transitioned right now and started playing in a female league in a season or two, after they are done transitioning, they would still have an advantage, depending on the athlete and sport - height, speed, jumping higher, being stronger, having bigger hands, longer arms... Because not all biological properties change.

I'm only talking in terms of sports here and I don't feel it is. I do think that something should be done not to simply exclude those kids because it's not fair to them but I don't think simply having them participate in girls sports is the answer.

[(Anonymous)]

Won't someone think of the CHILDREN

[(Anonymous)]

Shut up troll

[tabaqui]

Agree to disagree, especially with kids. Pre-pubescent kids don't have that many differences when it comes to muscle/bones/etc., and any kid on hormone blockers *really* isn't going to develop as they would off of them. I see zero issues there.

And, frankly, zero issues otherwise. I don't think the differences are that big, and I don't think the advantage is that pronounced.

[(Anonymous)]

Why would you have a problem with trans girls competing in girls' sports if your point is that professional male adult athletes should not be able to compete because male puberty gave them an unfair advantage? :/ That doesn't make sense.

Also - re: trans women who transitioned as adults having an advantage due to being stronger, having bigger hands, longer arms, etc.--firstly, not ALL trans women will, and secondly, even if they do... so what?? Are you going to apply the same metric to cis women in sports? "She's too strong so she can't play?" There is literally no way to enforce the rules you're talking about without doing it to specifically target and exclude trans women athletes.

ALSO, super sus that all these FS nerds suddenly care about the integrity of sports. In fact I hear a lot of noise from people who don't even like sports but want to chime in whenever someone suggests we allow trans women to play.

[esteefee]

I mean, so what if they have an advantage? What's the big deal? It's not like they didn't pay for it blood.

[(Anonymous)]

transwomen who are taking female hormones/estrogen experience a decrease in muscle mass, among other things,

Just because they experience a decrease does not automatically mean the decrease is sufficient to even the metaphorical playing field. For example, the International Association of Athletics Federations currently requires female competitors with high testosterone to get their serum T levels below 5 nanomoles per liter (nmol/L) for at least six months prior to competition. However, most AFAB competitors have testosterone levels ranging from 1.12 to 1.79 nmol/L. So the regulations currently allow transwomen competitors to have serum T levels approximately three times as high as the average AFAB competitor.

The real question is: does having three times the testosterone in one's system truly give said person a measurable advantage over their competitors? Right now, the answer to that question is inconclusive.

Males also, on average, have larger hearts and lungs that females, and that remains true for transwomen who have transitioned. But again, more needs to be done to determine whether such factors give one competitor a measurable advantage over the others.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you have ANY data at all that says transwomen competitors DO have higher serum T levels on average, or do they in fact follow exactly the same rules and regulations as the cis women when it comes to hormone levels and therefore it's not an issue?

But yes, the answer is inconclusive, and already women (cis and trans) are punished for it, so what's the point of arguing it?

[(Anonymous)]

it's trans women. trans is an adjective.

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking thank you lol. Amazing how frequently people tell on themselves for doing absolutely no research on trans people before typing a whole ass book on their opinions about trans people.

[esteefee]

yup.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't care about professional sports but on the high school level biological sex matters. Trans girls aren't required to take hormones or blockers to play on girl's teams. That gives them a distinct advantage on the playing field compared to natal girls. It eliminates a chance for a scholarship for every natal girl on the team when they have to compete. The trans girls don't have an advantage because they are trans but because they have or are benefiting from male puberty.

[(Anonymous)]

Right, because colleges are really gunning to hand money out to trans athletes every chance they gete.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, you're right then, trans girls shouldn't be allowed to participate in something they excel at because then they might start getting self-esteem and societal acceptance. Can't have that.

[(Anonymous)]

Nothing breeds resentment quicker than an unfair advantage. Ignoring that will not end the way you hope.

[(Anonymous)]

See, the thing is I am arguing that it is not unfair. You are the one arguing that. I am in fact arguing that it's unfair to not allow trans women to play sports.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're implying that isn't a thing that should be allowed because cis people might resent and attack trans people for excelling?

You wanna workshop that incredibly bad take or are you cool just leaving it as-is?