[ SECRET POST #4928 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4928 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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04. https://i.imgur.com/D25cLFc.png
[Emma 2020, OP warned for male nudity (from the back)]


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[Star Wars Expanded Universe, resized]


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06. https://i.imgur.com/R7v6vL6.png
[365 Days, OP warned for image of a dub/non-con sexual situation]


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07. [SPOILERS for Far Cry 5 and Far Cry New Dawn]



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08. [SPOILERS for The Magnus Archives]



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09. [WARNING for sexual assault]



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10. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia]






















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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't read the manifesto or really much of anything in this mess but a few tweets but I'm with you, OP.

Do I think transwomen deserve all the basic human rights and to live the life the way they feel they should've been born as? Absolutely. Do I think kids exhibiting traits that are traditionally seen as belonging to the other gender should automatically be seen as trans? No because that's literally a part of the problem with gender expectations, starting with blue vs pink... People who feel their biology doesn't match their identity obviously exist and should have a way of changing that but it feels like rn there's this push to label people who feel their interests and likes don't match their biology as trans, too, and that's not the way to go.

I am against transwomen in female sports because the reason for separation of sports is biological, not societal. If Bruce Jenner transitioned at 25 and competed as a woman, the competition would not be fair because she would've had an advantage. Imagine if Lebron James transitions now and switches over to the WNBA?

It sucks saying I don't think you should be allowed to do this because of the way you were born but at the same time, 99% of people can't do sports at the highest level because of the way they're born (too short, too slow, whatever) so it's not like they're being denied something that everyone else can do.

It's more complicated in youth sports because telling kids they can't train is wrong and transitioning that starts pre-puberty stops the development of some masculine traits but also idk if kids even have an identity one way or the other before puberty. Basically, this is a very complex matter and it's not as clear cut as well she's now a girl and that's all there is to it.

[(Anonymous)]

+100000

[(Anonymous)]

Seconding all of this!

[(Anonymous)]

Good thing there ISN'T actually a push to make kids trans for not conforming to gender norms, then!

And good thing professional sports don't already police gender norms to a horrifying extent--oh wait, yes they do, cis women can be banned from competitions for being exceptional and cis men never are.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Honestly, I hope I'm wrong and there isn't and it's just what it looks like because of media and social media because every time there's a pic of a celebrity's kid with this kind of a haircut or that kind of clothing or whatever there are immediately a lot of voices yelling about the kid being trans.

And professional sports do wrong by women often, you're right. I was specifically talking about the call to allow transwomen to play in female leagues.

[(Anonymous)]

Media blows something out of proportion and probably gets it wrong? I'm shocked.

Okay but hear me out here...if cis women already get tested for natural hormones and exceptional performance in sports, and are ordered to take testosterone blockers /already/ lest they do /too well/, I feel like there's bigger problems for female leagues than a teeny tiny proportion of transwomen looking to compete (who would have to follow the same medieval rules, I imagine)

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I really don't get where the "everyone thinks kids who don't conform to their assigned gender roles should transition/must be trans" stuff is coming from. I see the occasional person saying similar stuff about fictional characters, but not actual children.

And I can't even imagine someone transitioning from male to female solely to gain an advantage in sports, what with bs like cis women having gotten banned from sports for having naturally high testosterone, not to mention the absolutely abysmal pay female athletes receive compared to their male counterparts.

[(Anonymous)]

+10000

[(Anonymous)]

There are countries that already put their athletes through some illegal shit just to get advantages in competitions so I can absolutely see some regimes making male athletes start to transition to win female competitions.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not people transitioning just to get advantage that's the problem. It's trans women who have already transitioned expecting to be able to compete in women's leagues and crying discrimination if not allowed. Like fuck off already.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the parent of a gender non-conforming 8 year old, and you bet your ass that we've gotten pressure about whether he's trans or not.

The kiddo knows that transgender is a thing that you can be, and we've had a number of talks about whether he particularly feels that he is transgender or would prefer to dress and be referred to as a girl. Every time, he looks at me like I'm stupid and patiently explains (in my own words, back to me) that he's a boy who likes unicorns and purple and has long hair and nail-polish and that there is nothing wrong with that. He's right... but he shouldn't have to explain that to nosy neighbors and school principals and nurses.

[tabaqui]

Well, transwomen who are taking female hormones/estrogen experience a decrease in muscle mass, among other things, so frankly saying that all transwomen would have an advantage in sports *because* they are trans is nonsense.

And it actually is that clear cut - she's a girl now. He's a boy now.

[(Anonymous)]

Decrease in muscle mass, and some other things, yes. My point is, if any professional male athlete transitioned right now and started playing in a female league in a season or two, after they are done transitioning, they would still have an advantage, depending on the athlete and sport - height, speed, jumping higher, being stronger, having bigger hands, longer arms... Because not all biological properties change.

I'm only talking in terms of sports here and I don't feel it is. I do think that something should be done not to simply exclude those kids because it's not fair to them but I don't think simply having them participate in girls sports is the answer.

[(Anonymous)]

Won't someone think of the CHILDREN

[tabaqui]

Agree to disagree, especially with kids. Pre-pubescent kids don't have that many differences when it comes to muscle/bones/etc., and any kid on hormone blockers *really* isn't going to develop as they would off of them. I see zero issues there.

And, frankly, zero issues otherwise. I don't think the differences are that big, and I don't think the advantage is that pronounced.

[(Anonymous)]

Why would you have a problem with trans girls competing in girls' sports if your point is that professional male adult athletes should not be able to compete because male puberty gave them an unfair advantage? :/ That doesn't make sense.

Also - re: trans women who transitioned as adults having an advantage due to being stronger, having bigger hands, longer arms, etc.--firstly, not ALL trans women will, and secondly, even if they do... so what?? Are you going to apply the same metric to cis women in sports? "She's too strong so she can't play?" There is literally no way to enforce the rules you're talking about without doing it to specifically target and exclude trans women athletes.

ALSO, super sus that all these FS nerds suddenly care about the integrity of sports. In fact I hear a lot of noise from people who don't even like sports but want to chime in whenever someone suggests we allow trans women to play.

[esteefee]

I mean, so what if they have an advantage? What's the big deal? It's not like they didn't pay for it blood.

[(Anonymous)]

transwomen who are taking female hormones/estrogen experience a decrease in muscle mass, among other things,

Just because they experience a decrease does not automatically mean the decrease is sufficient to even the metaphorical playing field. For example, the International Association of Athletics Federations currently requires female competitors with high testosterone to get their serum T levels below 5 nanomoles per liter (nmol/L) for at least six months prior to competition. However, most AFAB competitors have testosterone levels ranging from 1.12 to 1.79 nmol/L. So the regulations currently allow transwomen competitors to have serum T levels approximately three times as high as the average AFAB competitor.

The real question is: does having three times the testosterone in one's system truly give said person a measurable advantage over their competitors? Right now, the answer to that question is inconclusive.

Males also, on average, have larger hearts and lungs that females, and that remains true for transwomen who have transitioned. But again, more needs to be done to determine whether such factors give one competitor a measurable advantage over the others.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you have ANY data at all that says transwomen competitors DO have higher serum T levels on average, or do they in fact follow exactly the same rules and regulations as the cis women when it comes to hormone levels and therefore it's not an issue?

But yes, the answer is inconclusive, and already women (cis and trans) are punished for it, so what's the point of arguing it?

[(Anonymous)]

it's trans women. trans is an adjective.

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking thank you lol. Amazing how frequently people tell on themselves for doing absolutely no research on trans people before typing a whole ass book on their opinions about trans people.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't care about professional sports but on the high school level biological sex matters. Trans girls aren't required to take hormones or blockers to play on girl's teams. That gives them a distinct advantage on the playing field compared to natal girls. It eliminates a chance for a scholarship for every natal girl on the team when they have to compete. The trans girls don't have an advantage because they are trans but because they have or are benefiting from male puberty.

[(Anonymous)]

Who cares though? There's barely any noteworthy trans people in sport and they're not exactly dominating anything. All these hypotheticals and what ifs about Lebron James (??) and Caitlin Jenner, like, lol, come on.

[(Anonymous)]

Have you... ever looked into this? There are plenty of transwomen dominating female sports.

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously. There have been exactly zero exceptional pro athletes who have transitioned in their prime and attempted to continue in women's pro sports, ever. The hypotheticals are ridiculous and completely obscure the reality of trans athletes.

In my experience, trans women who want to enter competitive women's sports are 1) young and 2) behind their cis competitors in experience, because men's sports tends to be a hotbed of toxic masculinity and a really hostile environment for trans women. Which, for any sport that hinges on technique, puts them behind the curve for performance, not ahead of it.