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⌈ Secret Post #4928 ⌋

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[Emma 2020, OP warned for male nudity (from the back)]

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[Star Wars Expanded Universe, resized]

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[365 Days, OP warned for image of a dub/non-con sexual situation]

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07. [SPOILERS for Far Cry 5 and Far Cry New Dawn]

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09. [WARNING for sexual assault]

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10. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia]

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ayrt

Honestly, I hope I'm wrong and there isn't and it's just what it looks like because of media and social media because every time there's a pic of a celebrity's kid with this kind of a haircut or that kind of clothing or whatever there are immediately a lot of voices yelling about the kid being trans.

And professional sports do wrong by women often, you're right. I was specifically talking about the call to allow transwomen to play in female leagues.

Media blows something out of proportion and probably gets it wrong? I'm shocked.

Okay but hear me out here...if cis women already get tested for natural hormones and exceptional performance in sports, and are ordered to take testosterone blockers /already/ lest they do /too well/, I feel like there's bigger problems for female leagues than a teeny tiny proportion of transwomen looking to compete (who would have to follow the same medieval rules, I imagine)

OK, sure, but how many people stop to question things they see in the media? It feels like there's a push BECAUSE the media is overblowing it.

It's absolutely a bigger problem, yes. There's also a bunch of other things that are a bigger problem, unfortunately, I am definitely not saying this is a huge problem. I'm not even saying it's a big problem, it might not even be a problem at all at the professional level yet (hell, it might not ever even become a big issue) I was just replying in the context, if the question is should they be allowed, my opinion is no because, again, sports separation is a question of biology.

Well, YOU clearly don't question what you see in the media, so if we're looking at sample size...

And okay, if it's not a problem at the professional level yet, why does it MATTER, then? Are we pearl-clutching at hypotheticals now? And, again, women in sports are already being punished on a biological level--how in the fuck does a hypothetical trans athelete MATTER?

I feel the same. I am so freaking angry at what they did and are doing to Caster Semenya, the humiliating physicals (repeated), the public scrutiny and misgendering, the insulting articles, definitely a wealth of racism as well as sexism behind the insults. After Semenya won the gold at the Rio Olympics, fifth-placed Joanna Jóźwik reportedly claimed that she was the "first European" and "second white" to finish the race. Sour racist grapes.

So they told Caster she'd have to take drugs to reduce her testosterone, even though there is scientific proof that testosterone does nothing to increase women's performances. And she fought it, and appealed it yet again, and they punished her for it, making her miss the World Athletics Championship in 2019 because Semenya didn't fit the sporting world's definition of "woman." Well, fuck that. We have to open our eyes and our minds and stop trying to chop off pieces of women to fit them into boxes and only then allowing them to compete. That's bullshit.

“So they told Caster she'd have to take drugs to reduce her testosterone, even though there is scientific proof that testosterone does nothing to increase women's performances.”

first result for “does testosterone increase athletic performance”: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/oct/15/testosterone-boosts-womens-athletic-performance-study-shows

Okay, thanks. That's a much more recent study than the ones conducted at the time Caster was going through all that shit, though. The IAAF were punishing her in advance of any scientific evidence, but whatever: Caster was assigned female at birth and raised as a woman (this is according to interviews with her during the controversy). If we are going to decide that "woman" means "testosterone of less than 5 nmol/L!", that's a judgment that is based on...nothing. Biology argues differently. "Femininity must be defended!" the IAAF say, and I say, who the fuck gives you the right to say what is feminine? My body says otherwise. So do the hairs on my chinny-chin-chin.

If LeBron James has an unfair advantage of eye-hand coordination far superior than 99.99% of the rest of basketball players, are we going to make him wear funky glasses to even the playing field? Caster has a genetic advantage over other women. So what? Suck it, Joanna Jóźwik.

I found out recently that the issue with Caster Semenya is bigger. She was allegedly raised, trained and educated as a boy and it was only in recent years that there was a push for her to be identified as female.

There's so much corruption in South Africa that I can well believe someone took advantage of Caster Semenya.

Where’d you hear that from? I’ve followed the story somewhat closely and haven’t heard anything about that.

NAYT

From what I've read, she has XY chromosomes, no womb or uterus but internal testes so biologically she's male. Without suppressing her hormone levels she's able to compete with in male categories but must suppress to complete in female categories.

She presents as female which I think puts her case closer to a trans athlete than an intersex one.

I’ve read about those bits and that was more or less my understanding of the situation.

What was news to me was the raised as a boy and South Africa corruption bit. Seems like an unfounded rumor so I wanted some clarification.

DA

This means fuck all, but the majority of photographs I've seen of her she does favour 'male clothing' (like getting married in a traditional male outfit)

Obvs, means absolutely nothing because there are many, many, many butch lesbians who adopt more 'male clothing'.

She also has pretty broad shoulders so I imagine most women's clothing doesn't fit or flatter her as much unless she gets it tailored, which is a pain in the ass.

Oh definitely.

Although if I'm being honest, I did think she was male in the first few photos I saw when I googled her.

She was raised as a girl according to her interviews.

She's biologically intersex, externally female, and was raised female. Only through EXTREMELY invasive forced testing did anyone get information about her chromosomes and internal organs, and you see how disgusting that is, right?

That is absolutely not fucking true.

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