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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-07-03 06:37 pm

[ SECRET POST #4928 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4928 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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04. https://i.imgur.com/D25cLFc.png
[Emma 2020, OP warned for male nudity (from the back)]


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[Star Wars Expanded Universe, resized]


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[365 Days, OP warned for image of a dub/non-con sexual situation]


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07. [SPOILERS for Far Cry 5 and Far Cry New Dawn]



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08. [SPOILERS for The Magnus Archives]



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09. [WARNING for sexual assault]



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10. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia]






















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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-03 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
The problem is that the things that JKR brought up, and the things that you bring up, *are* talked about. They have been talked to death and refuted a thousand times. In fact, they're more or less just the standard litany of points that are consistently cited by anyone who wants to call into question the validity of trans rights or trans identities, an absolute catalog of anti-trans arguments. That's probably why it's difficult to get straight answers to questions like these on the Internet - because a post like this looks, to the casual observer, pretty much indistinguishable from the kinds of posts anti-trans bigots make when they're presenting their case. If an anti-trans bigot were writing a post about why JKR is right, it would probably look exactly like this post.

So there are various response to all of these questions. For instance, women's sports is a really interesting one, because there's this perception that trans women athletes are dominating all of the womens' sports and forcing cis women out, but it's hard to find really meaningful examples of this happening - what happens is that any time a trans woman wins, people say she's dominating the sport, even if she wins 1 out of 18 times.

Similarly, I don't think trans people are enforcing gender stereotypes. My experience is that trans people are comfortable with and encouraging of gender non-conforming behavior. I can't speak for every trans person in existence (and something that anti-trans bigots will often do is point to an isolated person or community somewhere on Tumblr and act like it's representative of trans people as a whole), but generally trans people are the ones arguing that gender identities are complicated social categories. Those opposed to trans people are the ones arguing that gender identities are a straightforward consequence of a person's physical body. Likewise, it's good that you were a tomboy, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's also the case that some people who were tomboys were trans men, and would have embraced that identity if the conceptual vocabulary existed at the time. Neither one threatens or contradicts the other. And ultimately, trans people have consistently answered all of these questions many times over. People just don't accept the answers because they are committed to not considering trans women wpmen.

So, I think that none of the issues that you raise really provide a good reason to be skeptical of trans people. Despite that, they do get repeated and promulgated a lot as part of the case for transphobia. And that really gets down to the problem with what JKR did - she elevated these issues and criticisms that are part and parcel with the anti-trans movement. someone might have all these questions on an individual basis and want a serious conversation about them, but JKR had already done a lot of research on the topic when she decided to talk about her concerns and knew what she was saying, which was that these were reasons to oppose trans acceptance. I disagree with that politically and morally, I think it's an unacceptable thing to do the same way I think about any other kind of outright bigotry, and so ultimately I have to reject JKR's stance.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-03 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Gods, thank you for all of this.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-04 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
Couldn't have put it better myself, thank you for writing this.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-04 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly. These 'reasonable questions' have been answered a hundred times, the 'totally sincere and respectful discussion' has been had, and had, and had, and somehow these TERF motherfuckers are still going, "Oh, but what if a man puts on a dress and goes to lurk in the ladies loo?"
It's not fucking sincere, it's not respectful, it's not honest. It's just fucking exhausting. It's meant to be exhausting, like sealioning and similar tactics.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-04 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
Yepppppp

(Anonymous) 2020-07-04 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
I'm a cis woman and oh god I hate the "but predators lurking in bathrooms" argument so fucking much. If anyone regardless of gender, gender presentation, or sexuality is "lurking" in a bathroom for sexual gratification via spying reasons, they are gross perverts.

If they are in the restroom to shit, pee, adjust their undies, change clothes, cry, put on makeup, fix their hair, that's fine. That's what restrooms are for. Just flush, leave the seat down, and wash your hands.

I was gonna say "I don't see people sex-segregating their home bathrooms," but people who resort to these arguments are the type have blue and pink "his 'n hers" bathrobes and shit.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-04 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
THIS

(Anonymous) 2020-07-04 05:39 am (UTC)(link)
Fucking THIS. God. Yes. Thank you.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-04 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
this. thank you.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-04 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
This. All of this. Thank you.