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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-12-08 05:00 pm

[ SECRET POST #703 ]


⌈ Secret Post #703 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 13 pages, 314 secrets from Secret Submission Post #100.
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Re: 149.

[identity profile] continuum.livejournal.com 2008-12-09 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think it's about unreasonably high standards; I find that a lot of female characters just aren't written well or are written flatly/not given that much attention, and that makes it hard to like them. And thus, there's a disproportionate number of female characters being hated on compared to male characters.

So...I mean, I don't hate a female character insomuch as I just hate they way they're being written? A lot of them have potential, but then they come off on screen as...just "Augh, why! T__T" or sometimes they even start off really good, and then...somehow, the writing just takes them downhill. It sucks.

I guess I'm just drawing on my time in the BtVS/AtS fandom where people called misogyny because there were those who found her annoying. But the truth is, she did get annoying as a character later on in the series. Ditto for Dawn. By contrast, I didn't find a lot of character hate* for females that remained well-written: Fred, for one. Faith, Cordelia, Drusilla, Darla. Even in Firefly, there's generally been love for Zoe, Kaylee, River, who're also all quite well-written.

Don't get me wrong, I do agree that sometimes, people can set unreasonably high standards and that does get somewhat irritating. It's like, if she gets angry and yells, she's a bitch, etc, etc, and don't get me started on the people who hate on women for getting in between their slash 'ships or something.

But I also don't think the above is the sole cause or even the major cause of fandom female hate. There's a legitimate reason behind it, too, which lies in the actual writing of female characters.

*This is drawing entirely upon my own experience, so it is possible that I just wasn't looking in the right corners of fandom and missed some of the hate.

Re: 149.

[identity profile] continuum.livejournal.com 2008-12-09 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Don't get me wrong, I do agree that sometimes, people can set unreasonably high standards and that does get somewhat irritating. It's like, if she gets angry and yells, she's a bitch, etc, etc, and don't get me started on the people who hate on women for getting in between their slash 'ships or something.

But I also don't think the above is the sole cause


Yes.

And you caught me before I could edit out "major cause" because what I meant by "not major cause" is that they are both equally responsible but that didn't quite come across the way I wanted. DX;;

Re: 149.

[identity profile] ryuutchi.livejournal.com 2008-12-09 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sure that sometimes that's it. But often the male characters are written just as badly and aren't hated on anywhere near as much (and when they are, it's usually in the form of "oh, isn't it so cute?")