[ SECRET POST #4937 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4937 ⌋

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[fscom]

08. https://i.imgur.com/3FFp5XW.png

[feotakahari]

Yeah, this is 100% true.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think you're wrong but I also think it's a bit of a "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" situation

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, agreed. Obviously I'm thrilled that we've been getting so much f/f rep in kids' shows lately, but I'd really like to see some m/m too because I'd like to see ALL same-sex relationships normalized, not just ones between women.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're reaching. There's generally quite a bit more gay representation in mainstream media than lesbian rep - Queer Eye, RuPaul, Brokeback Mountain - and if we're just talking about cartoons, then I'd point out that several of these have been female-heavy casts with feminist subtext. And then there's Voltron, but who even knows what they were thinking there.

[(Anonymous)]

vld just didn't care at all, because their f/f rep was also shite so their 'have it i guess' m/m kiss was on par for the rest of the crap that show did.

[(Anonymous)]

no, it's actually because it's queer women fight tooth and nail to get our own rep into the things we create. go read noelle's interview for this series and you'll understand how much she had to push for everything she was able to do.

this idea that gay-women are 'safer' is a horrible myth that's used to delegitimize and cheapen the rep we do manage to put in ourselves as if it's not 'good enough' because f/f is chump change i guess? only m/m is real gay-rep(nevermind that's what 80% of live-action gay-rep IS, white m/m at that).

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

I also don't like how there's this underlying implication that gay-women are somehow taking something away from gay-men by putting our own rep in shows, and that gay-women focusing on our rep is bad and we should be focusing on men instead. Because everything is supposed to be about men, how dare women write about women but especially gay women!

[icecheetah]

Yeah. Representation isn't a limited resource!

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, gay guys clearly don't want it as much as gay women do

[(Anonymous)]

this

[silverr]

Haven't y'all been listening to all of us screaming about Runaan and Ethari in The Dragon Prince?

https://youtu.be/n1u5PNcgt7c

(And okay, it's not perfect (they're elves, they're secondary characters, and they're currently separated by plot), but it's still canon m/m husbands--the word is used more than once--who kiss in a kids cartoon.)

[(Anonymous)]

Man, why haven't I heard about this show at all? It sounds like something that would be right up my alley and canon m/m is just the icing on the cake.

[(Anonymous)]

Dragon Prince and Kipo come to mind, but otherwise, yeah.

[meadowphoenix]

I agree and disagree. Which is to say, I don't think people think it's safer, I actually think this is due to the fact that it's easier to deny f/f romance as friendship. F/f is easier to illegitimize so for those networks that don't want to get called out for ~scaring the kids~ until a show is over, they can frame the relationship as a conventional female one, and maybe if the creator fights hard enough they can get a kiss or a handhold before the show cuts to black. But that's still not privileging f/f, because when there are m/m i feel like it gets treated as a romantic possibility from the start.

[(Anonymous)]

Except this is only true if you're only looking at the very small subset of entertainment that is western children's cartoons. Gay men are much more common in the rest of non-pornographic mainstream media than lesbians and bi women combined.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, why don't gay little boys and gay men who are fans of cartoons just go watch one of those totally different things with gay men in it. Because the gay is the ONLY thing that matters, not the plot, genre, and certainly not the target age group.

[(Anonymous)]

Meanwhile, I think lesbian couples are "accepted" because they're not even seen as a real thing. The amount of people I see claim that "oh, all women are bi and all of them secretly want to ride the cock carousel" is astonishing.

[(Anonymous)]

I think this is a really complicated topic. While homophobia impacts lesbians and gay men in different ways, and I'm also frustrated by the lack of gay men in shows for kids, there are a lot of factors here beyond "lesbians are seen as more acceptable" (which is simplistic, and ignores a lot of context).

Mostly, I'm tired of seeing it get framed like lesbian representation takes away from representation of gay men— you didn't do that here or anything, it just comes up a lot in discussions about this, and I don't agree with that at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep. It's the same old "men find lesbian porn hot so it's okay to make tons of it, but m/m is just gross and should be torched" thing, but in the cartoon industry.

[(Anonymous)]

no

[(Anonymous)]

yeah m/m just gets into lots of YA to make straight women horny, so it evens out.

[(Anonymous)]

This seems a weird example to pick because the m/m couple of the show was unambiguously identified as such first.