[ SECRET POST #705 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #705 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Elf]


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[Naria: Caspian/Susan]


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[Hellsing]


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[Snoop Dogg, Sensual Seduction music video]


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[Weiss Kreuz]


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[NCIS]


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[Eternal Sonata]


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[Fullmetal Alchemist]


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[Spirited Away]


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[Prince of Persia]


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[Eureka]


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[It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia]


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[Harry Potter]


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[Special A]


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[Labyrinth]


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[Making Fiends]


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[Bust a Groove]


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[Hetalia]


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[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann - Gurren Gakuenhen]


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[MSNBC, Morning Joe: Joe Scarborough/Mika Brzezinski]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 165 secrets from Secret Submission Post #101.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - doing it wrong ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[two-if-by-sea.livejournal.com]

In that case, I still think the argument applies, maybe to a little lesser amount because of the inherent nature of the pairing. We'll never know unless we interview everyone who ship it and gauge whether or not they're being truthful about their reasons. But I guess we'll just have to disagree. :)

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

It's impossible to interview every single person that ships it, so it's impossible to know "For sure." That doesn't mean we can't make generalizations and extrapolations from the attitudes that we've seen.

[two-if-by-sea.livejournal.com]

Okay, then I have to ask. Are you in the community? Do you talk to the people who are in the community, in depth, about their reasons for shipping Barack Obama and Rahm Emanuel? Have you talked to more than one? I think if that were the case that you can just generalize and extrapolate without actually looking at the fandom, then I can just climb onto, say, fanfiction.net and tell you that everyone who ships, um, I dunno, Harry/Draco is just OMG THEY'RE SO HOT TOGETHER!111!!!111!!~! and SQUEEE HATE SEX and OMG I HATE GINNY!!!!! But I don't think hotness/hate sex/ hatred of Ginny is the reason why everyone ships it. I think there are people who are in that pairing, of that fandom, who do like to explore, say, boundaries between good and evil, or the lengths one would go to protect one's family.

So I feel the same way about Rahmbama.

tl;dr-- no, we can't know for sure, but I think your generalization and extrapolation might be more based off personal opinion and not reality?

[everysecondtues.livejournal.com]

BB, you are my hero. You are much more coherent than I am. ♥

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

I'm in ontd_political, where we have a lot of Rahmbama shippers. I'm pretty sure it was people in that community who started shipping them to begin with, and there's definitely a lot of back and forth. Basically, it's always boiled down to "for the lulz" or dirty jokes or "God, what a sexy sexy sexy cabinet."

By the way, if you are so convinced that I'm wrong in asserting that people ship it because it's funny or because it's sexy... What exactly are the other options? Why do people ship it, if not for one or both of those reasons?

[two-if-by-sea.livejournal.com]

I'm not saying you're wrong that some people ship it because it's funny or because it's sexy. I do agree that some people do. Maybe it is even a large majority of them. And being in the community, I know we do joke a lot about how "for the lulz" it is, and make dirty jokes, or talk about how sexy the cabinet is, but I don't think that's necessarily reflective of how some of us actually feel about shipping them. It's kind of like how I joke about being Chinese is cool because it means when I'm 40 I'll still look 12, but I'm not happy I'm Chinese because of my looks.

Like, for instance, I think the pairing is interesting because they're two people who early on in their life dedicated a lot of it to politics, for very different but also very similar reasons. They're also two people coming together to work for a greater goal, and I find that interesting in a lot of ships, the idea of teamwork and partnership where the personal relationship isn't the only thing holding the pairing together. They both came from a very corrupt political neighborhood, but Obama embodies a kind of hope for change and honesty that I think Rahm would be attracted (not just sexually) to. There's also an element of Rahm's attack-dog nature re: Obama. And his past experience being an adviser for Clinton. I think there's a lot of really interesting tension in all of that background that makes me like exploring it through a romantic and/or sexual relationship. I know I'm not doing it because I find it sexy/I'm getting off on it and not because it's funny, and there are a few people I talk to often on the comm whom I'm sure don't do it for those two reasons either.

I hope I'm making sense. Please tell me if I start talking too much or become incoherent, or if you're not interested in the conversation and just want to drop it-- no hard feelings.

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

You know, I don't even know how to respond to this without opening the kettle of worms that is the RPS debate. Personally, I find it a lot easier to understand shipping it just for sex or just for lulz. Frankly, I had not even fathomed that anybody was shipping Rahmbama wholly unironically and my instinctive response is just to ask, "But what about Michelle?!"

[two-if-by-sea.livejournal.com]

Mmm, no, I hear you. It is hard to talk about any RPS pairing without getting into the RPS debate in general. Steering clear of that, I think in real life, I find Barack/Michelle to be a great pairing, and I really love the fact they're going to be The First Couple. And in a lot of the stories, Michelle is included as a player with just as much power and importance as Barack and Rahm. But that's the difference between writing and real life, I guess; in writing you can pick and choose parts of an overall scenario to blow up and examine at leisure, and explain away the other parts. And I don't find shipping RPS pairings of people already in established relationships to be any different than shipping fictional pairings of people already in established relationships (re: say, I ship Harry/Hermione even though they're in established relationships, and the "But what about Ginny/Ron?" factor, .I feel, is the same as the "But what about Michelle/Amy?" factor).

But then again, that brings us back to the RPS debate (I think!).

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

Oh, I mostly just feel for Michelle because... I love Michelle. I can't say I ship her and Barack, but they're just so OTP! The idea of them being broken up just wounds me.

[two-if-by-sea.livejournal.com]

They are a great couple together. Whenever I see them interact, like that one time Barack was like "is it a small yappy dog? :|" and Michelle was like HUSH BE NICE, it makes me happy.

And her fashion taste is pretty A+ in my book. :D

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

Stop luring me into fangirling Michelle, I'll never get away from the computer tonight if I start!

[two-if-by-sea.livejournal.com]

♥ never enough love for Michelle, but okay. :>

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[jorajo.livejournal.com]

I second everysecondtues, you're my hero (though she is too, because she has said all of this a lot better than I could, as well).

[femaelstrom27.livejournal.com]

...And that doesn't mean those generalizations and extrapolations won't be hugely unfair. If we had feelings, they would be hurt.

Honestly...and I'm just thinking out loud here...given that the community that is somewhat dedicated to the ship (rahmbamarama) is almost entirely friendslocked, I'm not sure how outside viewers can claim that we're all "HURR HURR DEY SO HOT TOGETHER OMG." I mean, you can't see our posts. Do you see a lot of that attitude elsewhere? Where?

To be honest, people in that fandom strike me as being some of the most intelligent people I've encountered on the internet. Yes, they are all completely insane -- but still largely articulate and intelligent.

I'm probably just fanning the flames by speaking up at all. I don't know when to keep my mouth shut.

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

So first you said I called you all sick and evil, and now you're saying that I think shipping it for the lulz and the smut is mutually exclusive from being intelligent and articulate?

Mmkay bb.

[femaelstrom27.livejournal.com]

Okay -- first of all. Given that I was trying to be polite in that particular comment, could you maybe not take such a patronizing tone in your responses? Just -- ugh. There is nothing I hate more.

However, you're right, I'm not explaining myself very well in any of this. What I said earlier (about people calling us sick and perverted) was not aimed at you so much as it was the original secret maker. I'm sorry I didn't clarify that.

But, as for your second point, yes, I did get the sense, from what you said, that people who ship it for the lulz and the smut are teenybopper fangirls -- not an "intelligent" demographic -- incapable of liking something for any reason beyond finding it aesthetically pleasing. If that wasn't your intention, again, I apologize.

Also, I probably gave the wrong impression by replying to your comments with somewhat-unrelated musings on the pairing and its fans in general, which you took to be direct responses to what you said.

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

I don't think that teenyboppers are the only ones who like things just because "they're hot." I also don't think intelligent and articulate people are incapable of being occasionally shallow and interested only in smut.