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fandomsecrets2008-12-10 05:04 pm
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[ SECRET POST #705 ]
⌈ Secret Post #705 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Elf]
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[Naria: Caspian/Susan]
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[Hellsing]
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[Snoop Dogg, Sensual Seduction music video]
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[Eternal Sonata]
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[Special A]
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[Labyrinth]
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[Making Fiends]
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[Hetalia]
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[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann - Gurren Gakuenhen]
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[MSNBC, Morning Joe: Joe Scarborough/Mika Brzezinski]
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 165 secrets from Secret Submission Post #101.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - doing it wrong ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
Re: 145
Initially, Bella would have probably agreed with you that teen marriage is a mistake and usually done out of naivety. However, this is a romance fantasy novel. Bella and Edward are depicted to be soulmates, and when you read the books...marriage seems to be the only real logical next step. Especially when she's planning (at that point) to become immortal anyway.
Having 1987506 babies is probably the last thing Bella wants to do, believe me.
As far as Edward's obsession goes...you really have to go back and see the impact that Bella had on him. He's been alive for decades, having no real affection or even remote attraction for anyone. And to find that the girl that he FINALLY is attracted to is human!? "Obsession" is one way of describing it, but it's more like him trying to figure her out. "Who the hell IS this girl and why does she have this effect on me?" It's sappy yes, but kind of part of their dynamic.
His controlling nature takes place for a small section of ONE of the books. Bella doesn't take that shit anyway. She rebels, and he slowly figures out that he doesn't want to be that guy anyway. How massively that's blown up is beyond me.
Edward Cullen is most definitely not abusive. In fact, quite the opposite.
Their relationship is obviously unrealistic in many elements, and even Bella has a hard time believing it sometimes. But I would never describe them as unhealthy. They're fictional characters for gods sake. It's supposed to be fantastic and imaginative...but if people were to model their own relationships after it, I don't think anyone is of risk.
Re: 145
It'll be okay. They'll find something else to hate soon.
Re: 145
(Anonymous) 2008-12-13 03:40 am (UTC)(link)does that count :3
Re: 145
I'm going to pass this link onto you in the hopes that you'll read it thoroughly. I'm not saying you MUST agree with it in whole or in part, but at least give it a chance, and then re-read the "Twilight" series and examine those parts that you probably just skimmed over or forgot about in your last read-through.
Read what's out of "Midnight Sun," while you're at it, too.
EDWARD IS ABUSIVE. EDWARD IS CONTROLLING. EDWARD IS OBSESSIVE. His relationship with Bella (and vice-versa) is NOT HEALTHY. We all recognize that it's fiction, it's fantasy, it's YA romance, but that doesn't mean it is/should be immune to literary criticism. For the audience that is targeted towards (and the audience that is reading the series), it presents a VERY dangerous relationship model, and YES, they WOULD be at risk if people expected or created such a relationship.
Re: 145
I'm getting the feeling that you might think I'm another squealing Twilight fan girl, when in reality, I too went into the series skeptically. I certainly did not believe it was going to be "the best fantasy romance series EVAR!!" either, and still don't.
I read the entire entry you gave me, and was pleasantly surprised to find some logical arguments. I can definitely understand and even respect a lot of what it had to say. I wouldn't consider myself a raging Bella/Edward shipper and even found myself creeped out by Edward from time to time when I read the series. Edward is a douche bag for a majority of the early novels, but I also believe he does a lot of improving throughout their relationship. Granted, he was pretty much a dictator in their relationship in the beginning. But he later realizes he was flawed in his controlling ways, and allows Bella to visit Jacob whenever she pleases. I think after that, and especially after their marriage, that whole part of him kind of withers.
Twilight is free to be whacked at by literary criticism, you're right. However, getting steamed, rowdy and "LET ME YELL WITH CAPS" is pretty pointless. The Twilighters who worship Edward are only doing so because they 1) will become attached to any attractive boy, regardless of character flaws, and/or 2) need some fantastical fantasy in their lives in order to function. If not Edward, they will find it somewhere else.
If anyone is really taking relationship advice from fantasy books, they need to realize that relationships like Edward and Bella do not exist. (And when I say that, I don't mean "abusive and controlling" relationships don't exist) Human/vampire relationships don't exist. There are no relationships where the boy has am emotional, physical AND blood thirst attraction to the girl. It's entertainment and should not be a bible on how to live. That's just silly. It is not Twilight, nor is it author that should be criticized, it's the eagerness of readers to immediately embrace fiction as real.
Re: 145
To be honest, I don't think that Edward allowing Bella to visit Jacob whenever she pleases is the penultimate form of relaxing his "dictator" ways. It's like he's got her on a leash and he's given her a bit of slack-- she's still on a leash.
Plus, if he does "improve" after they're married, it's probably BECAUSE they're married. He's got her "for eternity" now. Bella couldn't get away from him if she wanted to-- she's got the responsibility of her child (her own personal reasons for wanting to be a better parent than she sees her own parents as being a primary reason), but even if that weren't a factor, Edward and the other vampires would likely come after her. Edward himself points it out -she can't escape from him (not even as a vampire herself). She'd end up living like the recluse vampire-- what's his name, Alistair? He wasn't exactly described with glowing praise in BD, so I doubt his lifestyle of hiding from hte Volturi and the rest of vampire-dom is something Bella -wanting to "live" free and on her own- is something she'd aspire to. But it'd likely be her only choice, given the people she's surrounded herself with.
You are right that the sort of fangirls who are squeeing over Edward would have found that same sort of obsessive devotion in another character somewhere, but that doesn't make it any better (their behavior or Edward's character and "excusing" it).
As for your last comment, I think that's the crux of what a lot of people are trying to argue about the nature of the series and what it presents. The kind of people reading it AND squeeing over it, scratching their necks to make them bleed, wishing their boyfriends were [like] Edward, etc.-- those are the sort of people who, even if they register that vampires don't exist, won't register the rest of it. AT ALL. And they'll get stuck in a relationship that they've idealized and that "Twilight" and Stephenie Meyer have glamorized if they believe in those ideals to a fault. So yes, the readers are still very much at fault, but it's not like the series or the author are blameless. Without them, there'd be no issue at all here.