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⌈ Secret Post #4942 ⌋

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[NerdECrafter]

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[(pictured) The Nightingale]

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[The Painted Veil]

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04. [SPOILERS for Watchmen (series)]

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05. [SPOILERS for Castle Rock]

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06. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia]

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07. [WARNING for discussion of rape]

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08. [WARNING for incest]

[resized, not a repeat]

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excuse me what?

Jasper and Lapis have a mutually abusive relationship. This is as close to canon as you can get in a show that's rated TV-PG. Because SU fandom is horrible, this turned into arguments about which one is the rapist. (With occasional derails into "Rebecca Sugar is a pedophile for writing this," and a few jokes about "Wait, if forced fusion is rape, does this mean Peridot rapes dead bodies?")

I literally can't imagine calling Jasper and Lapis mutually abusive and I'm struggling to find a point at which I would say Lapis' actions toward Jasper are abusive, so combined with the rest of this comment where apparently other fans have decided that all types of fusion aka gem intimacy must be sexual/romantic, imma head out.

So, uh do you think Jasper was the abusive one during the months of forced fusion? Lapis even admits to taking her anger out on Jasper during that time.

/Mutually/ abusive. It was a depiction of an unhealthy relationship. They were both awful to each other, and that was the point. However, Jasper was the one who initiated it, for bad reasons, and while it ended up bringing out the worst in Lapis in its duration, Lapis was also the one who recognized how unhealthy and terrible it was, and who admitted she'd /been/ terrible in that fusion, while Jasper just wanted the power again and didn't care how Lapis felt about it. Because Lapis was the only one who wanted to move on and heal from that /mutually bad situation/, I wouldn't say it's fair to call her the sole villain here. Jasper's behavior, overall, was worse (and continued to be so)

Honestly, yall are making me remember the discourse on this ep alone, and how much I hate the framing for this (they were ~both~ unhealthy~) exact reason.

AYRT Agreed tbh

NAYRT: Oh, fully agree. And there's no obligation to participate in "the discourse" for a given fandom. It's not that SU fandom is excessively wanky, the internet has a magic ability to amplify cranks who refuse to shut up about a given issue.

Lapis even admits to taking her anger out on Jasper
I mean, what does that even mean here? We know what the inside of a forced fusion is like, and there's no time for "taking out anger" that isn't directly related to keeping control of the fusion, which was fairly necessary here to prevent Jasper OR Malachite from causing actual harm. I'm sure that's Lapis' sincere perspective (and I'm actually not surprised at it as the fusion is the most power she'd been given in years so her idea of harm might simply be enjoying forcing Jasper to have no power at all especially as she knows that it's partially fueled by anger and she sees her mirror as a similar punishment), but what we actually see simply doesn't support that. Either Lapis would be in control of the fusion, or Jasper would, or Malachite would. Garnet does not mention a split as a possible outcome without outside force, and neither does the narrative.

If you're asking me if trying to gain control of a fusion to cause harm is abusive, then yes. ETA: I also completely forgot that Jasper was doing psychologically gymnastics to convince Lapis she was equally as bad. This is such a common abuse tactic from abusers where any retaliation is a sign of mutuality that I just can't countenance this.

Edited 2020-07-18 14:10 (UTC)

+10000 on the abuse tactic. It's exactly what my abuser did every time I tried to explain how she was hurting me.

NAYRT: Agree.

NAYRT- Lapis made the choice to fuse on the beach with Jasper (who had already lost the fight with the Crystal Gems) specifically with the plan to drag Jasper into the ocean and imprison her indefinitely. She was a hydrokinetic standing next to a massive body of water - she not in a position where she had not other option. By her own admission it was strongly implied, if not outright stated, that she chose to do it in order to take back a sense of agency and power by punishing and hurting Jasper the way that Lapis had been hurt in the past. And, yes, it was hurting Jasper.

She dragged Jasper, screaming and begging, to the bottom of the ocean - a crushing, lightless place that even Lapis was traumatized by staying in for a long period of time - and forcibly held her there for months, with Jasper rendered unable to even control her own body or mind for however long it took for them both to lose their sense of self and fully merge into Malachite.

Just because she wasn't slapping Jasper around doesn't mean she wasn't hurting her. And I think that we can agree that Lapis deliberately trapping someone in an intimate relationship/situation in order to fulfill her own emotional wants by hurting them is abusive.

Interesting definition of lost (lost to me indicates that Jasper would like....stop fighting, not try to convince someone to try a new method of fighting, and certainly not when the crystal gems look fought out while Jasper DOES NOT), but I don't actually share it, nor your framing of Lapis intentions or options since "fuse and drag someone into the ocean" and "don't fuse and drag somebody into the ocean" are the same harms, lmao, and especially since the thought process you're talking about is while an abuser is convincing their victim to do something!!!!!!! I understand why you're just eliding that Jasper literally restrains and then looms over her victim (and not considering that maybe that has something to do with why Lapis waited until fused to use water), but it's wild nonetheless!

Anyway, as I actually stated, retaliation to an abuser, who is still intending to abuse others (and you) is not mutuality. Further, preventing further harm might also cause harm, but it's not the same as abuse. Lapis intended to prevent further harm to Steven (who literally is huddling at the start of this fusion), and the fact that it was also satisfying doesn't make it abuse.

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