[ SECRET POST #4947 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4947 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think part of it is the fantasy of being desirable enough to nab a hot older guy. Cause teenage girls are known for loving slightly older men.

The worst example of this I can remember however was a relationship between a 12 year old girl and 18 year old boy in a kids series. That one set off alarm bells. I am pretty sure the guy’s advances were supposed to be romantic but it just squicked me out.

[(Anonymous)]

Probably written by slimy older men who want a hot younger chick to parade around like some kind of trophy though.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, there's plenty of women writers who do it too.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt


True, but there are a lot of women authors who publish such works, but only on the bias of such slimy men who publish them. Depending on the age of the books, (since OP mention they were from their childhood after all), I more or less got lost in the presumed idea they were somewhat older, and that the common application of sexism would be if not partially, but perhaps even fully, in display here.

[(Anonymous)]

I can think of several YA books from the 80s and 90s written by women that had this trope. This wasn't like the 60s or something.

[(Anonymous)]

Are these same slimy men also buying lots of books and driving sales, too? Because if they aren't and it's (surprise!) teenage girls and woman reading and buying them, your conspiracy theory falls apart.

[(Anonymous)]

I write and wrote fanfic like this, I'm a cis woman, and I'm never imagining myself as or identifying with the older person in the fic.

[(Anonymous)]

This. And same here. It's very common, I'm guessing ayrt doesn't have a lot of experience with media or fandoms where this isn't a rarity - or some evil conspiracy by creepy men.

[(Anonymous)]

the anon you're talking about.

I figured first of all that OP was older as many individuals on F!S have admitted themselves to be, and that since OP was talking about books from their youth, there would be a significant buffer by way of stigma, since I assumed those book could have even possibly come out years before they were referred to OP in their ageless youth.
I'm sorry that you're so quick on the defensive about your writing habits, but my comment was more about the sexism of the past, where men still had the major hold over the publication of any such media. Even if it was a woman who'd authored such a work, it'd only be approved by such a slimy bastard that approved of such a topic.

You might not have noticed, but a lot has changed over that last handful of decades. Where as older published material isn't exactly held in the exact same regard as whatever new headcanon you posted on tumbler for an extra follow or two, and, y'know nor should it be.

[(Anonymous)]

DA wait, so, your thinking is that a woman could write it for any number of reasons, but then the "fault" lies solely on a hypothetical slimy male editor/publisher who singlehandedly selects books with this popular female fantasy for his own ends?

For an example, you think Tamora Pierce's Daine quartet was a man's doing?

[(Anonymous)]

Empirically incorrect

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Star wars would definitely agree that such a trope has never been written by a man before ever, for sure, completely!

[(Anonymous)]

Can it really be the case in your mind that, if "All such books are written by men" is empirically false, "all such books are written by women" must be true? Can it really be possible that you genuinely believe such a transparently ridiculous thing?

[(Anonymous)]

Not necessarily. That's a little simplistic, to be honest. As you've seen from this thread, there are plenty of women who enjoyed this type of younger women/older man fantasy when they were teens, and not everyone grows out of that mentality. Also, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the YA romance market, but they're largely written by women, not men.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Very true. My thoughts after reading OP's secret were basically that I assumed they were older, and that by mentioning books in their youth, it would imply an era where men were offered first dibs on most everything. My assumption was definitely a little quick off the bat, for sure, but going by the earliest average of age F!S seems to have, my best guess would be that OP grew up in the nineties. Them saying that said books were offered to them would imply they were already existing for at least a few years before that.
Men have a history of monopolizing most business since the fifties, a trend that continued for several decades. Even though I have little doubt a woman could have easily written such works, their publication seems more of a mans play by way of masculinity > innocent young girl always being a favourite trope among sexists.

Like obviously as the years go on, things change. There's nothing wrong with a woman liking or writing such a thing today, but the whole concept of the past gives me pause enough to wonder if such popularity for these types of novels specifically corresponds to the male pov, along with a complete misunderstanding of the inspirations little girls should look up to.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, the frequenters of FS alone is proof that predatory women are a thing.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Oh, is that you again? Either way, I'm not talking about your weirdly specific hangup that I've apparently caused blunt force trauma to, just by mentioning that maybe men might write shit like this as a kink of their own, but by know I don't expect you to understand such a complex thought either. Your vengeance against F!S was entertaining as far long as any triple bogey golf clap would go- but by now even you have to realize that the level of desperation you've been digging yourself into is pathetic at best, and just plain sad at any other level of awareness you may or clearly do not have.

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't that Sailor Moon