[ SECRET POST #4948 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4948 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I've seen the "Hollywood isn't prejudiced against people with noticeable accents because British actors get work all the time!" and uhhhh... yeah. I don't think that's the same thing, really.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean... Yeah, British/Australian accents are a dumb argument but it's not like most other European accents are actually popular unless you want to play a Nazi with a German accent or a weird foppish stereotype when having a French accent, just for example.

[(Anonymous)]

They're reasonably popular if you're a hot babe. Or, like, are OK with consistently playing creeps and villains.

[(Anonymous)]

Is that much different from being side lined to martial arts?

[(Anonymous)]

There are way more movies with hot babes, villains or creeps than there are movies with martial arts

[(Anonymous)]

If a woman is a hot babe, her accent isn't the issue regardless.

[(Anonymous)]

Speaking as someone whose first language isn't English I *guess* I can get it, it's hard to ignore an accent and naturally you want to cast British actors for British characters just like you would cast fat actors for fat characters and so. The problem, for me, is less about casting and more about script itself. But that calls for a whole discussion on racism which (honestly) y'all aren't ready for.

[(Anonymous)]

You're right, but that seems like a separate discussion. There are (still!) lots of roles where the race of the character isn't particularly important, but they'll still cast someone white. We're transitioning into a period where POC actors are juuuuuuust now starting to get roles like this, but you generally won't see those roles go to someone with a heavy accent.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, that was my point. An accent often implies that they're somehow from another country/culture, which adds some nuance to that character. I don't think it's right to cast people with an accent for a character who isn't supposed to have a complex cultural background, particularly if the movie is, say, a book adaptation, just like I don't think it's right to cast a white woman as major Motoko Kusanagi (ahem). In other words, casting non-white people "just because" is theoretically interesting (it's employment, even if being some tertiary character isn't going to skyrocket their value) but it's really... Too small a discussion to turn that many heads IMO.

[(Anonymous)]

And by POC, Hollywood means black. Because you can only have one POC type at a time.

[(Anonymous)]

Some accents are better than others. I'd hate to hear Indian accent on screen, I get enough of that in tech support and it's very hard to understand. Same with Scottish accent.

Hated T'Challa's accent btw.

[(Anonymous)]

You sound like a real peach.

[(Anonymous)]

Why I even bother with fs, honestly...

[(Anonymous)]

Wow.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't doubt racism plays a major part in this but honestly characters with any heavy accent are a good way to lose your audience.

[tree_and_leaf]

I might have misunderstood OP's point, but it's not like all British actors are white....

[(Anonymous)]

I suppose my feeling is that a primary skill for actors is the use of their voice. Modulating it, making it whisper or purr or crack. And mastery of accents kind of... comes with that skillset? Or should do?

Or to put it another way, Patrick Stewart and David Tennant, as the first white actors that came to mind, are both well capable of code-switching from their birth dialects to other accents as the part requires.

And we can talk about their regional dialects being considered less "neutral" or "proper" as much as we like.

But they are actors, and they act. With their voices.

[(Anonymous)]

Patrick Stewart and David Tennant are both Brits. They may not speak with the exact same accent as Americans, but from birth they've been taught a language with the exact same sounds as the ones present in the English language. People who's first language isn't English can't code switch like that. And I've seen many top skilled American and British actors attempting to speak in my native language and the whole movie theater in my country burst out laughing at how unnatural they sounded. You can't act with your voice in a language that uses sounds not natural to your throat and muscles.

[(Anonymous)]

Fair point.

[(Anonymous)]

Switching between accents as part of a performance isn't code-switching.

Nothing against you personally, just two decades of pulling my hair at people citing code-switching in defense of fangirl Japanese in fic.

[(Anonymous)]

The US/UK/Canada/Australia are part of the anglosphere.

There are film industries in India and the middle east. I guess I don't understand the complaint here? People with accents that aren't anglosphere-related deserve jobs in Hollywood films??

Also, there are plenty of UK, Australian actors who use American accents in Hollywood films, because...it's in America.

[(Anonymous)]

On one hand I understand your point... on the other hand you don't seem to realize just how much of a monopoly Hollywood has over world cinema. The funding of just one of the Hollywood films exceeds the funding of the entire film industry in almost all countries in the world. And with such a significantly smaller budget it's extremely hard to compete for the audience's money, which in turn makes the already poorly-funded film industries even poorer. Hollywood also has established distribution deals with foreign markets, which most other countries don't have and can't afford, so even if they do produce a decent film despite the lower budget, they can rarely show it outside their own country, so the returns are smaller as well.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT. I do realize that, and it also seems that some talent from any country finds its way to Hollywood eventually.

But there are also Netflix (and other) productions everywhere, and the results end up being broadcast internationally with subs/voiceover if they're good, and why should the US film industry brain drain other countries?

Hollywood's goal is to make more money for investors. It didn't produce Roma or Parasite, and I don't think it could.

So it ends up sounding like "why can't the best waiters with accents get a job at the Applebees?" when there are 200 better but less popular restaurants in town.

[(Anonymous)]

I see your point.

But also, I live in a fairly small city. It's ~tiny~ by international standards. And I hear a mass of accents - people who came here to work, to tourist, from rural areas - everywhere.

A piece of media where everyone talks with exactly the same accent is, just slightly, uncanny valley for me.